C'da

Mornin! Sometimes it looks like I am here to always take a different
position than you :) :)

Most people in India (today and I guess before as well)) know very well what
admissions to a good institution means and what kind of degrees are better.

For instance, engineers and doctors graduating from India have almost always
done quite well ($$ wise).

Now, that doesn't mean a History or an English major from say a non-descript
school may not do well professionally or even self-actualization.

Today's India is very much different from what you and I came from. Its a
more intense rat race there as ever. When Indians come here , most are able
to do quite well professionally - specially in the sciences, engineering,
software etc. Why is that?
Are you per chance suggesting that the quality of education/and or training
(from India) has little value? And they have been able to fool American
employers for such a long time?

This "degree culture" you talk about implies that a degree are "just a piece
of paper" so lets not worry about it. And because Indians are obssesses with
them - they must, by default, be useless! --- nothing could be further from
the truth.
The "degree" may be a get-your-foot-in-the-door for many jobs, but
obviously, I can't practice medicine (even if allowed) if I don't have the
training - can I?

--Ram






On 6/11/07, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 Umesh's, like so many others' from India, 'dreams' are formed with the
profoundly faulty notion that getting this degree or that  or getting a top
ranking in exams. or even getting admitted to this or that institution, is
the END, the GOAL.  Education as preparation, just the beginning, and
learning as something more than mere means for a livelihood is an alien
idea.


There are a number of reasons how this faulty notion took hold and has not
yet been shaken loose, even amongst those who live in societies where the
'degree culture' is not pervasive.




































At 5:19 PM +0530 6/11/07, mc mahant wrote:

In Shakespeare we read long time back:
"Ambition must be made of sterner stuff"
Keep going!!
mm

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Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 18:09:13 -0700
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Assam] Fulfilling a dream?
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
[email protected]

n dreams, for thast what. I apllied for PhD two times - but I am not
giving up . but have to do it part time only since I am on full time work
visa.



Umesh





*mc mahant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:

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{font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma;} Now You need Introspection!!
Dreaming of doing WHAT?
mm

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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 18:39:09 -0700
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Assam] Fulfilling a dream?

Hi,



I just read a letter (2 pages long -with writings on the side also) from a
69 yearold gentleman who still says (after all these years) that getting
into PhD is a matter of do or die (for me). He was perhpas the only person
in India who really supported my journey westwards and got me involved in
fire worship (yagna) and its benefits amidst chantings - Vedas style.



He took me to Aligarh where his real brother in law led a retired life
after 30 years as professor of math at Univ of California , Berkeley (who
disuaded me from going to US) - he had left India to become a professor
there directly (not as a student) after teaching at Aligarh Muslim Univ.
 Further, this 69 year old gentleman's real unlce had come westwards as a
student and become a professor at Stanford - as the Berkeley professor
attested "His uncle was at Stanford and I was at Berkeley " (they are just a
few miles apart).



Today I bettered my GRE score substantially (unknown to the old man) and
walked back home 2 miles (unlike the last time where I was holed for two
weeks in Allahabad 500 miles from home) -esp the verbal section. I did not
prepare at all -since I have been tutoring these very things .



More later.



Umesh



Umesh Sharma

Washington D.C.

1-202-215-4328 [Cell]

Ed.M. - International Education Policy
Harvard Graduate School of Education,
Harvard University,
Class of 2005

http://www.uknow.gse.harvard.edu/index.html (Edu info)

http://hbswk.hbs.edu/ (Management Info)




www.gse.harvard.edu/iep (where the above 2 are used )




http://jaipurschool.bihu.in/

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Ed.M. - International Education Policy
Harvard Graduate School of Education,
Harvard University,
Class of 2005

http://www.uknow.gse.harvard.edu/index.html (Edu info)

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