>*** I did not intend for you to read WF's article as a rebuttal to whatever
>your friends in Assam might have told you, But it explains the dynamics behind
>GoI's stonewalling on >the matter of pre-conditions to a negotiations,
>something that Assam ought not to be a victim of. Neither Indian HAWKS own
>Assam, nor should they be able to dictate terms >of a political settlement of
>the conflict. Just as your HAWKISH friends ought not to be able to dictate
>terms of a settlement, if that is what you implied by your friends' >comments.
HAWKISH friends, C'da? Forgive me if I misunderstood. But that is a
disappointing comment from you - way too disappointing.
Well, my HAWKISH friends are just innocent bystanders, who do not care who says
what and who is at fault, they just want their everyday life to be SAFE and
NORMAL so that they can come back home from work, from the market to their
children - ALIVE - just in case you didn't know how life has been for the
ordinary people of Assam.
>*** Like not demand that what they have fought and died for be the subject
>of negotiations? Like not ask for release of their leaders? Like not demand
>information of their >missing cadres from the Bhutan operation?
Be it a subject, yes, but Not PRECONDITIONS.
>I don't know A, but I think it would be far more straightforward and honorable
>to acknowledge one's hawkish stance and ask for their surrender, than wear
>that moderate >peace-seeker's mask :-).
Isn't it wise to follow the axiom: Don't assmue anything, and act on it to see
what their (the Hawks') real intentions are, than making their own motherland a
danger zone - both by them(selves) and by the army?
“In order to make spiritual progress you must be patient like a tree and humble
like a blade of grass”
- Lakshmana
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Hi A:
Last things first:
>I know you will have an answer for it, but just try to be fair this time. :)
*** Aw c'mon A, are you expecting the sun to rise in the west ? Are you into
shopping for disappointments :-)? When did you ever see me as fair or balanced?
But I will let that rest. So let us get back into the subject under discussion.
>OK, I will try to read that.
>But do you think that would have more credibility or have greater impace on us
>than what my friends in >Assam are telling me from their first-hand
>experiences?
*** I did not intend for you to read WF's article as a rebuttal to whatever
your friends in Assam might have told you, But it explains the dynamics behind
GoI's stonewalling on the matter of pre-conditions to a negotiations, something
that Assam ought not to be a victim of. Neither Indian HAWKS own Assam, nor
should they be able to dictate terms of a political settlement of the conflict.
Just as your HAWKISH friends ought not to be able to dictate terms of a
settlement, if that is what you implied by your friends' comments.
>Should the Assamese in true sense care who is MORE or who is LESS for this
>untenable condition in >place'?
**** When there is an impasse, should one not attempt to gauge WHO is/are the
obstacles to a political settlement? That is accountability A. Why wouldn't
you want to determine who is MORE unreasonable?
To absolve whom you favor of its guilt? Would that be FAIR or BALANCED?
>Bringing back PEACE and NORMALCY to Assam is something to care about by them
>MORE than >them Indians.
*** Perhaps so, except THEY are the ones who hold all the cards. If we do not
hold those who hold the powers accountable, it would be yet another exercise in
false propaganda, like those who hold ULFA responsible for the B'deshi
immigration problem. It would be an insult to the intelligence of people.
>They should make this peace talk happen and shouldn't give the government an
>opportunity NOT to >have the peace talk, don't you think?
*** Like not demand that what they have fought and died for be the subject of
negotiations? Like not ask for release of their leaders? Like not demand
information of their missing cadres from the Bhutan operation?
I don't know A, but I think it would be far more straightforward and honorable
to acknowledge one's hawkish stance and ask for their surrender, than wear
that moderate peace-seeker's mask :-).
c-da
At 1:56 PM -0500 6/25/07, Alpana B. Sarangapani wrote:
Hi C'da:
>*** What is wrong ? To oppose TALKS? Or To suggest that most of the GOOD folks
>here and in the pages of the fearless lapdogs of desi-demokrasy who >ask "WHY
>TALKS? What for? " are wrong :-)?
>That is wrong. A "real" peace talk is way overdue - for the sake of the
>ordinary citizens of Assam. IMO, nobody should or have opposed that.
All of it. Plus the
Yes, all these NEED to be the topics of the talk and NOT preconditions
expecting something else.
>First I suggest you read the article in Himal South Asian by Walter Fernandes.
> And then I ask you, WHO is putting the MORE untenable condition in place >to
>make the whole thing a deal-breaker?
OK, I will try to read that.
But do you think that would have more credibility or have greater impace on us
than what my friends in Assam are telling me from their first-hand experiences?
>And then I ask you, WHO is putting the MORE untenable condition in place >to
>make the whole thing a deal-breaker?
Should the Assamese in true sense care who is MORE or who is LESS for this
untenable condition in place'? Bringing back PEACE and NORMALCY to Assam is
something to care about by them MORE than them Indians. They should make this
peace talk happen and shouldn't give the government an opportunity NOT to have
the peace talk, don't you think?
Of coruse, then they have to sincerely want to bring peace to the state - they
will have to leave their "power" and live like ordinary citizens, do you think
that is scaring them more?
I know you will have an answer for it, but just try to be fair this time. :)
"In order to make spiritual progress you must be patient like a tree and humble
like a blade of grass"
- Lakshmana
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Hi A:
Not at all. Come right ion and participate in the fun :-).
At 10:35 AM -0500 6/24/07, Alpana B. Sarangapani wrote:
Hi C'da: Please excuse my interruption.
>You and others from the ranks of the GOOD folks have vehemently opposed
>'talks'.
That is wrong.
*** What is wrong ? To oppose TALKS? Or To suggest that most of the GOOD folks
here and in the pages of the fearless lapdogs of desi-demokrasy who ask "WHY
TALKS? What for? " are wrong :-)?
>But it should be from a sincere heart that has worries for the Assamese -
*** That is a voice of reason. And I will jump right on to your bandwagon A, as
soon as we can sort out where that sincerity is missing from.
First I suggest you read the article in Himal South Asian by Walter Fernandes.
And then I ask you, WHO is putting the MORE untenable condition in place to
make the whole thing a deal-breaker?
Those who would not discuss the issue for which ten thousand plus from
Assam have given
their lives?
OR
Those who are seeking release of five of their leaders which include
an eighty years old,
one who is blind and yet another who is very very sick and information
on those who
were either killed or held incognito by India during the Bhutan
operation?
WHO is the party here that is playing 'politics' and inhuman tactics?
c-da
A "real" peace talk is way overdue - for the sake of the ordinary citizens of
Assam. IMO, nobody should or have opposed that.
But it should be from a sincere heart that has worries for the Assamese - for
Assam's development - for the safety of the lives of the ordinary Assamese -
and not put some pre-conditions beforehand so it will look like ready to have
the talk PROVIDED, "you agree to do what I want you to do". Then bring up the
topic - see the possibilities...
Pretension will only bring more miseries to the people of Assam - and who would
(rather should) care for that more? The Assamese - be it ULFA or SULFA or
non-ULFA or non-SULFA - just Assamese, isn't it?
And I think these bomblasts are not ALL done by the ULFA, but outside (or
inside) sources are taking advantage of the situation - just to create
animosity amongst all groups including the government. So shouldn't ULFA walk
thier talk of taking care of the people of Assam and put more emphasis on
coming to the mainstream thru talks or whatever and "save" Assam and the
Assamese from this vulnerable situation??
If we (all people, that is, ULFA, SULFA, NON-ULFA?SULFA, Government bodies -
all) LEAVE political agendas/spin/cheap fame/'bhem' and motives like making
EASY MONEY, hope to become the "Roja" above the innocent civilians of Assam,
then won't we want just that - PEACE and SAFETY for the people of Assam first?
"In order to make spiritual progress you must be patient like a tree and humble
like a blade of grass"
- Lakshmana
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At 8:22 AM -0600 6/24/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
C'da,
>Eketa kothake pegheniai thaaki ekw laabh nai, buisa
You are right.
In fact, lets pick this up only when there is a "fake encounter" and the the
army has killed an innocent ulfa cadre! :)
--Ram
**** You are evading the point again Ram
It is not about these incidences that will continue to occur. The bad guys
will keep doing it. And more bad guys won't join you to shed those tears of
sympathy or join the chorus of abuse.
Like you explained yourself, no-one can prevent these, not even the might of
the Indian Army.
So WHAT would the GOOD folks do? What SHOULD they do?
You and others from the ranks of the GOOD folks have vehemently opposed 'talks'.
You have cried out for surrender of the BAD guys.
You all have put out incisive arguments and insights why Assam must remain
India's dependency.
But none of them are working.
So what is the answer?
c-da
On 6/24/07, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Ram:
>I wonder how PCG, PCPIA and HR groups and all those famous people will spin
>this? They all come >up front & center with righteous indignation, even if one
>single gun-weilding ulfa cadre is killed.
*** Last things first: Let us put an end to the debate here. You know, like so
many others in this forum do, that these are BAD folks! There is no need to
argue about what you know to be the unimpeachable truth. Eketa kothake
pegheniai thaaki ekw laabh nai, buisa ( repeating oneself like a broken record
does not accomplish anything).
>>They will Kill - even small babies if necessary, if the GOI won't listen and
>>sit with them for talks - is >>that correct?
*** Same story again.
There is no point in attempting to make the bad folks to admit they are BAD or
attempt to have them do the right things! They won't do that. It will be
mindless to expect to make silk purses out of sows' ears.
That leaves the GOOD folks; like yourself, other assamnetters who share your
values, GoI and GoA to lead the way.
Now then, what would the GOOD folks do, because the BAD ones couldn't be
counted on to the right things?
Keep on doing the same thing, knowing that the BAD guys will keep doing the
same thing too?
What will you do when your tear-ducts run dry, with nothing left to shed in
lieu of a solution?
Then what?
c-da :-)
At 7:22 PM -0600 6/23/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
C'da,
>Your expression of outrage surely shames the silent ones.
Yeah, right! :)
>Somebody has to hold the torch and lead the way. You are doing >your share
No one need to lead the way - the ULFA's attrocities are blazing thru fine for
all the see.
(BTW: the death tolls gone up - update: Six people, including a
one-and-half-year-old baby, were killed and 20 others injured ).
>India can hang in there for ever. So what if many more lives are >lost? They
>are cheap. And the righteous like yourselves will >always be there to salve
>the loss with streaming e-tears on the >internet.
So, these deaths and killings are the responsibility of India - because
blood-thirsty ULFA wants to force their dikat on the rest of the population?
They will Kill - even small babies if necessary, if the GOI won't listen and
sit with them for talks - is that correct?
Its good going.
I wonder how PCG, PCPIA and HR groups and all those famous people will spin
this? They all come up front & center with righteous indignation, even if one
single gun-weilding ulfa cadre is killed.
--Ram
On 6/23/07, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Ram,
Your expression of outrage surely shames the silent ones. Somebody has to hold
the torch and lead the way. You are doing your share.
Yes indeed. You are also right about demanding to know 'Talks on what?'. You
are not alone, not in this net, not in the company of the fearless watchdogs
of democracy in Assam or India.
Anyone with half a working brain ought to know, it is far better to keep
trying. Wasn't it the fearless Sir Robert the Bruce who, while hiding in the
cave got the epiphany from the spider who kept falling off its net, but finally
succeeded in setting it up, that he realized that he had keep trying until he
succeeded?
Take heart Ram. India can hang in there for ever. So what if many more lives
are lost? They are cheap. And the righteous like yourselves will always be
there to salve the loss with streaming e-tears on the internet.
Acerbically as always.
c-da :-).
At 8:15 AM -0600 6/23/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
Thanks Babul, and here are some more details.
The ULFA's bravery knows no bounds. This time again, they have managed to kill
two "very dangerous" children and two dangerous pedestrians.
And yet, some of us expect that the GOI hold talks with these murderers? Talks
on what? If NOT, the ULFA will kill more innocent people & children?
These sympathizers ought to gives us some really good reasons why killing
children or these pedestrians is somehow justified?
--Ram
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Four killed, 20 injured in bomb explosion in Guwahati
November 05, 2006
Press Trust Of India
Guwahati, June 23, 2007
First Published: 11:13 IST(23/6/2007)
Last Updated: 11:38 IST(23/6/2007)
Hours before the start of the Asian Athletics Grand Prix in Guwahati, the
proscribed ULFA on Saturday exploded a bomb infront of a mosque situated near a
commercial area in Guwahati killing at least four and injuring 20 others.
The bomb hidden in a cycle, which was parked in front of the mosque adjacent to
the daily vegetable market in Machkhowa area of the city, exploded at around
7.30 am killing four, City Additional Superintendent of Police Rajen Singh told
PTI.
The cycle and some vehicles parked nearby were damaged, he said.
Among the dead were two children, who were at the vegetable market at the time
of explosion.
The injured were admitted to the nearby Marwari hospital, Singh said.
The explosion comes nine hours before the start of the the Asian Athletics
Grand Prix, which would witness the presence of over 200 top athletes from 20
countries, at the Indira Gandhi Athletics Stadium here.
Security has been beefed up in the Assamese capital.
On 6/23/07, bg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
http://www.assamtimes.org/index.php?news=72
Expolision Rocks Guwahati Again: 4 killed 20 injured
Guwahati: A powerful bomb that explodes in the city on Saturday morning leaves
four people dead besides more than twenty injured.
he explosion took place at Machkhowa and that too in front of a mosque at a
daily vegetable market at around 7-30 am. All those killed in the explosion
are pedestrians.
Immediately after the explosion, top ranked police and civil administration
officials arrived in the spot and investigation is going on.
The injured were admitted to the nearby hospital.
No one has so far been rounded up in the city. Details are awaited.--Babul
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