Re: [Assam] ANT & GRASS HOPPER

[Chan Mahanta]

What happened? You did not want to get to the answers you were seeking?


I did not say anything about the world being black and white. But 
when YOU , who agreed with the creator of  DATGH , subscribed to that 
black and white world concept, as you read it, of the world divided 
into the two camps--of the Ants and the Grasshoppers,  you are the 
one who subscribed to  it.


I had nothing to do with YOUR comprehension, or lack thereof, of what 
was embedded in that piece of trash, that some of of you found to be 
'very good', enlightening or whatever.


I realize, that YOU were caught up with your own flawed 
understanding, and resulting arguments you proffered.  But there is 
more to it:


That piece of foible,  a desecration of Aesop's fable,  really DID 
NOT try to divide the world up to two neat camps, of the HWAs and 
LCLs.  It was far worse. It attempted to portray that there were 
those who worked hard, pulled themselves up by their bootstraps, on 
their very own,  like the self-made men/women they fancy themselves 
to be; only to be thwarted by those like Medha Patkar , Arundhati 
Roy, CNN, BBC, NDTV or who have you, who speak up and out for those 
on whose backs these self-made men/women are attempting to build 
their fortunes.


But in reality, those who identify withe gist of this article are the 
COMPLAINERS, the 'cribbers' in your words. They are the PARASITES. 
They are clueless ands can care less  about all those, for whom their 
land is the only thing that stands between a life of urban 
deprivation and and a life of dignity, however meagre.

And who does the wretched author of that piece belongs to? To the 
'cribbers'.  They are abjectly ignorant of the glaring fact of their 
pretensions to being 'achievers, of being self-made men/women, is
fiction, but something their desi-education never prepared them to 
recognize or realize.


 Thus, the question you asked me, is based on   your   inability to 
comprehend ordinary English, compounded by your political 
predilections.   The 'cribbers'  here  are those to whom the author 
of the clueless piece belongs. And WHO are these cribbers?

They are the privileged few of India, empowered by a government who 
steals from the many to enrich and empower the select few, those 
whose children , by overwhelming percentages get to attend those 
'elite' institutions, only to leave and enjoy the good life on 
foreign shores.


Am I ONE of them, like you insinuate?  You decide.


And that was what I was saying that you took issue with.


I hope, NOW you understand.














At 3:40 PM -0700 7/3/07, Krishnendu Chakraborty wrote:
C'da

Thanks for enlightening me.  Now I know that --

The world is black and white ---  losers and winners 

BBC,CNN, AR, GOI etc all should be branded into one of
these.... there cannot be any one who can be termed as
exploiters  etc.

There cannot be others in the world who are corrupt,
criminal etc ... certainly there are none in that
group in the US of A but in India .... are you sure ??

There cannot be people whose IQ is not like Einstein
.... again ... I thought from your  postings that
Indians are a bunch of Idiots and the ONLY Intelligent
Indian has migrated to St Louis.
 --------
I agree ....  you win ... irrespective of what you may
think, say ... you win.

In spite of the fact that MANY Indians who DO NOT pay
huge fees,  do not go to St ****  Schools but makes it
to IIT, IIM, Gurgaon or St Louis,  you win.

In spite of the fact that Chandan Mahanta, a product
of Dysfunctional Indian Education system,  has set up
a successfull Architecture practice in US by virtue of
his Indian education (and probably GOI scholarship),
you win.

In spite of the fact that there are thousands of
"products of Dysfunctional Indian Education system"
in Senior Levels of Multinational companies ,  you
win.

In spite of the fact that most of the high society
people in US send their kids to Private Schools (St
*****  School) paying HUGE fees and still you boast of
"checks and balances" and "functional education", you
win

---
As usual, you have avoided answering my questions....
anyway netters are used to it ....


--- Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 >  >The main idea of the story, as anybody with
 common sense will
 >understand, is that people who are
 >incapable of making it to higher ups, cribs and
 point fingers at
 >those who have made it to higher ups .....and I do
 agree to this.



 *** Okkkay!  Let us begin here. Don't worry. I will
 give you your
 answer, IF, by some chance, it does not become
 apparent to you,
 fairly soon, from the exercises you will do,
 interactively. The
 length of the exercises , will be dependent  on your
 ABILITY or
 WILLINGNESS to dig deeper, and in the process
 connect the dots that
 will emerge from the excavation.


 For reference, we will call the above 'the main idea
 according to
 Krishendu' or MIAK for short.

 BTW, if bystanders have other understandings of the
 piece's main
 idea/s, very different or even little but nuanced
 different, feel
 free to chime in. We will use them for reference .


 ( Here observers , who might not be familiar with
 the original
 Aesop's fable of the Ant and the Grasshopper -- ATGH
  for short---,
 might note that  it was about working hard and
 SAVING for a RAINY
 DAY).


 Now  then, from MIAK above, those with any
 commonsense ought to  know
 that the world is neatly divided into two camps: One
 of hardworking
 achievers, the ANTS and the other being of the lazy,
 parasitic ,
 cribbing ( complaining) non-achievers.


 Would that be a reasonable interpretation  here?
 Feel free to
 correct me if I am reading you incorrectly.
 However, I like to think I am on target. And
 therefore we will
 proceed to the next exercise:

        ***  Therefore, from the litany of individuals and
 institutions named in this desi-version of
        the ATGH ( DATGH for short) , you should be able to
 point out
 who falls into which group.

        Let us identify these two groups as the hardworking
 ants
 (HWA) and the lazy,cribbing lot
        LCL)

        So, please assign the appropriate labels below.  To
 make it
 easy I will give the
        following example:

        BBC,CNN, NDTV --- ( HWA ? or LCL? )
        Arundhati Roy ---- ?
        Medha Patkar ---- ?
        Amnesty International --- ?
        Kofi Annan ---- ?
        Opposition MPs ----?
        Governing party MPs ----?
        West Begal Govt. ----?
        Kerala Govt. ----?
        Lallu Prasad Yadav ---?
        POTAGA ---?
        Arjun Singh ---?

        *** Also since you brought in the following
 Assamnetter
 personalities, what group
        would they belong to:

        Chandan Mahanta ----- ?
        Jugal Kalita -----?
        Krishendu Chakravarty-----?


 Reasonable people might guess that there may not be
 many belonging to
 the HWA group mentioned in the DATGH.

 And since you AGREE with the main idea embedded in
 this DATGH,  but
 since the illustrious author of the piece did not
 give us any
 example, other than one who left to Silicon valley
 to set up that
 billlion dollar company,  please provide us a few
 examples of  who
 might fit the HWA group well.

 I hope you will agree, that it is VERY IMPORTANT to
 have those examples. So :

        1:   -----  ?
        2:   -----  ?
        3:   -----  ?
        4:   -----  ?
        5:   -----  ?

 **** Assuming you don't abandon ship or run for the
 tall-grass at
 this point, we should be able to zero in on your
 answers with just
 one or  two more exercises.



 I am already excited!














 At 4:18 PM -0700 7/2/07, Krishnendu Chakraborty
 wrote:
 >C'da
 >
 >I would not like to get into yet another lengthy
 >discussion. I will try to answer your questions but
 do
 >expect you will answer some of my questions too ---
 >
 >The main idea of the story, as anybody with common
 >sense will understand, is that people who are
 >incapable of making it to higher ups, cribs and
 point
 >fingers at those who have made it to higher ups
 .....
 >and I do agree to this.
 > >
 >However,  the reason of posting my questions for
 you
 >is NOT limited to this story.
 >
 >You have frequently tried to point out that Indian
 >education system is dysfunctional. In many of your
 >postings you have portraied that all who goes to
 >IIT/IIM or get H1 or get a decent job, have an
 >affluent parent who earned money through illegel
 (or
 >unethical) means.
 >
 >I know that many of the netters including you,
 Jugalda
 >who are very established in their own field have a
 >background which is more aligned to BK's third son.
 >Though my background is not that bad, it is pretty
 >close.
 >
 >I would be interested to know HOW you made it to
 IIT
 >and later to USA?
 >How come the dysfunctional Indian education not
 stop
 >you from achiving this?
 >Why do you think Indian Education system is
 >dysfunctional?
 >In US,  majority of students making it to top rank
 >Schools are from Private School. Does the US
 education
 >system also flawed so as not to allow BK's third
 son
 >to make it to top ?
 >
 >Thanks
 >
 >
 >--- Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 >
 >>  OK, here we go.

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