Hi C'da,
I will try to answer this:
> And if they are the only ones outraged or aggrieved, then
is >it ALL of Assam's Hindus or most or just a handful of them?
The way I understood Chitta in his use of "Assamese Hindus" was
simply that whenever many Assamese raise their voices against this
illegal immigration from B'desh, there are others that make it a
Hindu-Muslim problem (which it really isn't).
Then accusations of being anti-Muslim heaped on most people who just
see this as an illegal immigarion problem is seen as an affront.
And your question is a tad odd. Obviously, there will be some
Assamese Hindus who really don't care if all of B'desh's population
is in Assam.
I would say this, though: Those who are serious about Assam's and
India's welfare in this aspect should be outraged of such a massive
influx.
So, IMHO this is just the ordinary, run-of-mill mass illegal
immigation. It is NOT Anti-Muslim or Anti Bengali, or anti-Sylhet or
anti-Badarpur or whatever. B'desh is a poor country, and they see
opportunities in Assam and other parts of India and they cross the
border.
And the Govt. of B'desh has absolutely no backbone to take its own
citizens back.
>then what is the position of those who are in charge of
protecting >the borders and law-enforcement, detecting and deporting
the >illegals? What have successive governments spanning at
least >three decades have done in this matter of upholding the LAW
of >the land?
Obviously, this is a National problem. But it certainly does not
help where we have state officials declaring that even the measly 38
they snared as illegals - oh well really not illegals..
While the responsibility does rest with the GOI, the state of Assam
(successive governments) have not really cared for the issue. If
they did, how is that other NE states don't face such a serious
problem as Assam?
>*** I am sure it is. That is because you all know and a number
of >fine netters have already branded me an anti-Indian and
India-hater.
But how would such accusations and labels FORCE you to dilute such a
serious problem?. Would have thought, that wouldn't have happened :)
>how much more anti-Indian or India hater I am compared to
those >who rule India and are in charge of border protection and
law->enforcement?
This is another interesting twist. Lets break this down:
IMHO::
Assam politicians: Want B'deshi Votes generally. Those who are not
able to garnish the votes, are all suddenly agog about the border
control. They just want to get elected.
But, bad as they are - they don't hate Assam or India
GOI/Central Politicians: GOI may want a Congress or whatever govt at
the state level. They too cosy up to illegals.
Or they are totally unaware of the problem or possible don't don't
where Assam is.
They don't hate Assam or India.
People in Assam: Generally most are worried about the illegal
problem(irrespective of their religious affiliations). But they too
are not too strong in making their feelings known.
They too don't hate India.
ULFA: Though it is not its responsibility, the fact that the leaders
are holed up in B'desh, and the fact that as "protectors" of Assam
they really havent made any strong statements against illegal
Bangladeshi immigrants. How do they convince the Assamese that
B'deshis will not over-run Assam completely once they attain the
ellusive independence?
We all know, they hate India.
People in other States of India:
Many unaware of Assam. And if have heard of Assam, it is because of
ULFA. Many of those too have been trained to see such problems as a
Hindu-Muslim one. They will hear that loud and clear (if put in that
context).
But they don't hate Assam or India either.
So, C'da, your statement:
>how much more anti-Indian or India hater I am compared to
those >who rule India >and are in charge of border protection and
law->enforcement?
is not really correct. You can't equate the lack of interest or even
irresponsibility to hating or adoring Assam. Just because people
who rule India or those in charge may have a responsibility, and
that they mau not perform it well, does not mean they hate Assam.
Well - there, I have tried my best.
--Ram
On 8/13/07, Chan Mahanta
<<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Ram:
At 6:26 AM -0600 8/13/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
C'da
Couldn't resist...
*** I am not surprised Ram. But welcome to the fray .
*** Let us start by answering the question:
And if they are the only ones outraged or aggrieved, then is it
ALL of Assam's Hindus or most or just a handful of them?
There is a reason for my asking the question. I will explain after
you do. But I like to think it won't be necessary.
>It is the "legal" status they bear: Are they Indian citizens or
Bangladeshis enroaching into Assam?
>All Indians ought to oppose the influx of ILLEGAL hordes of
B'deshis. The word Illegal means that they >are NOT Indians.
*** OK, fair enough. But if that is what the reason is, then what is
the position of those who are in charge of protecting the borders
and law-enforcement, detecting and deporting the illegals? What have
successive governments spanning at least three decades have done in
this matter of upholding the LAW of the land? Or for that matter
what do they say is their official position is on the matter? And I
am asking not about just the Assamese outraged, but all Indians too;
those who you opine OUGHT to be outraged ?
Let us hear answers about that, and we shall proceed to the next
level of the deliberations.
>Their religion, the 'lungi-menace' etc are just your way of
diluting a very serious
>problem in Assam.
*** I am sure it is. That is because you all know and a number of
fine netters have already branded me an anti-Indian and India-hater.
Question is how much more anti-Indian or India hater I am compared
to those who rule India and are in charge of border protection and
law-enforcement? Hope you will compare that and delineate for
netters how I am doing compared to the real Indian patriots,
elected by informed and issue-wise Indians , time and again, by
popular votes, in the fine traditions of desi-demokrasy; who are
running Assam and India ?
c-da
PS: Chitta does not have to write to me separately seeking
assistance. You have opened the gates already. He can add to this as
he sees fit :) .
>And if they are the only ones outraged or aggrieved, then is
it >ALL of Assam's Hindus or most or just a handful of them? And
is it because of :
> The offenders' name?
> The color of their skin?
.....
> Or is it because of their religious persuasion?
It is the "legal" status they bear: Are they Indian citizens or
Bangladeshis enroaching into Assam?
All Indians ought to oppose the influx of ILLEGAL hordes of
B'deshis. The word Illegal means that they are NOT Indians. Their
religion, the 'lungi-menace' etc are just your way of diluting a
very serious problem in Assam.
BTW: You will find many Assamese Muslims who are equally disturbed
by the illegal B'deshi influx.
It is politically advantageous for certan groups in Assam to drive a
wedge along religious lines on this issue, but the main issue still
remains:
The truth is that Assam is under siege, and a not so silent invasion
from Bangladesh.
--Assam
On 8/12/07, Chan Mahanta
<<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Chitta:
> Why do you always want to equate the BDeshi issue with the Muslim one?
*** I did not even touch the M word. Give me a break, will ya :-) ?
>I wonder whether you have a hidden agenda here in trying to make
all Assamese Hindus suffer >from >collective guilt complex by
dubbing their anti BDesh stance as an anti muslim one.
*** Seriously though, you have explained it right here in the above
statement you made.
" Assamese Hindus"
Are only 'Assamese Hindus' burdened by illegal immigrants ? Is Assam
the home of B'deshi despising Hindus only? And if they are the only
ones outraged or aggrieved, then is it ALL of Assam's Hindus or most
or just a handful of them? And is it because of :
The offenders' name?
The color of their skin?
Their cuisine?
The language they speak?
The lungis they wear and the skull-caps they flaunt?
The unkind cuts the male of their species live with?
The high wage jobs they deprive the natives of?
The economy they depress by their dependence on public charity?
The criminal activities they spread in society?
The corruption they promote by bribery of public officials?
The economic progress they thwart by their habitual sloth?
Inundate the free public health-care system?
Flood the public school system with children of the
non-producing, lowering the quality
of education?
Usurp and rob the Oxomiya bhaxa of its purity and ownership?
Other ills I have not mentioned, deliberately or otherwise?
Or is it because of their religious persuasion?
I gave a few clues to finding your way to the answer to you query,
all by yourself.
So, what is it?
And what do you think my motives are; my agenda, hidden or overt?
If you are still in the dark, let me know. I will be pleased to
explain more explicitly. But there are risks associated with seeking
that extra bit of assistance. I am sure you know what those might be
:-).
m-da
At 8:16 PM -0700 8/11/07, chittaranjan pathak wrote:
""Anyone ( of the male species) looking like B'deshis must have to
prove their non-B'deshi status by
displaying accepted physical evidence to law-enforcement officials""
Mahanta da
Why do you always want to equate the BDeshi issue with the Muslim
one? I wonder whether you have a hidden agenda here in trying
to make all Assamese Hindus suffer from collective guilt complex by
dubbing their anti BDesh stance as an anti muslim one.
As far as I know-those who like the Assamese language will not like
"Dhonyo Noro Tonu Bhaal" less than "Pita putra" just because former
is penned by Abdul Mallick and later by Homen Borgohain.
For Assamese-lingustic and ethnic identities are more binding than religion.
BJP has some 10 seats in 126 Assam assembly. And bulk of the
winners are from Barak valley. So what does it prove? Your attempt
to paint BDeshi hating Assamese Hindus as Assamese religious bigot
surely is not working.
Regards
Chitta
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