C'da This is what I had written in response to your question: > *And if they are the only ones outraged or aggrieved*,* then is **>it ALL of Assam's Hindus or most or just a handful of them?*
My Response: Obviously, *there will be some Assamese Hindus who really don't care if all of B'desh's population is in Assam*. I would say this, though: Those who are serious about Assam's and India's welfare in this aspect should be outraged of such a massive influx. So, IMHO this is just the ordinary, run-of-mill mass illegal immigation. It is NOT Anti-Muslim or Anti Bengali, or anti-Sylhet or anti-Badarpur or whatever. IMHO: It is NOT just Assamese Hindus or Assamese Muslims or whatever, but a majority of Assamese are very concerned about this influx. The minority Assamese who are not concerned or are pro-illegal immigration must be politicians, or anti-Assam elements. Ordinary, everyday Assamese are very concerned, irrespective of their religious backgrounds. I am sorry, you may not like that answer, but thats what I feel.:) --Ram On 8/13/07, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Ram: > > > >Well - there, I have tried my best. > > > *** I don't know Ram . I like to think your 'best' ought to be a whole > lot better than what you put forth :-). > > > You did not even answer the question below forthrightly, which I like to > think is a very easy one to answer. But there lies the problem. If you > answer it forthrightly, it would severely damage the entire premise of your > arguments . > > > But if you want to give it another try--this time forthrightly, I will > pretend you did not go thru the earlier round of beating around the bush > wildly :-). > > > c-da > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 2:18 PM -0600 8/13/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote: > > Hi C'da, > > > I will try to answer this: > > > > > *And if they are the only ones outraged or aggrieved*,* then is >it ALL > of Assam's Hindus or most or just a handful of them?* > > > > The way I understood Chitta in his use of "Assamese Hindus" was simply > that whenever many Assamese raise their voices against this illegal > immigration from B'desh, there are others that make it a Hindu-Muslim > problem (which it really isn't). > > > > Then accusations of being anti-Muslim heaped on most people who just see > this as an illegal immigarion problem is seen as an affront. > > > > And your question is a tad odd. Obviously, there will be some Assamese > Hindus who really don't care if all of B'desh's population is in Assam. > > I would say this, though: Those who are serious about Assam's and India's > welfare in this aspect should be outraged of such a massive influx. > > So, IMHO this is just the ordinary, run-of-mill mass illegal immigation. > It is NOT Anti-Muslim or Anti Bengali, or anti-Sylhet or anti-Badarpur or > whatever. B'desh is a poor country, and they see opportunities in Assam and > other parts of India and they cross the border. > > And the Govt. of B'desh has absolutely no backbone to take its own > citizens back. > > > > >then what is the position of those who are in charge of protecting >the > borders and law-enforcement, detecting and deporting the* >illegals*? What > have successive governments spanning at least >three decades have done in > this matter of upholding the* LAW* of >the land? > > > > Obviously, this is a National problem. But it certainly does not help > where we have state officials declaring that even the measly 38 they snared > as illegals - oh well really not illegals.. > > While the responsibility does rest with the GOI, the state of Assam > (successive governments) have not really cared for the issue. If they did, > how is that other NE states don't face such a serious problem as Assam? > > > > >*** I am sure it is. That is because you all know and a number of >fine > netters have already branded me an anti-Indian and India-hater. > > > > But how would such accusations and labels FORCE you to dilute such a > serious problem?. Would have thought, that wouldn't have happened :) > > > > >how much more anti-Indian or India hater I am compared to those >who > rule India and are in charge of border protection and law->enforcement? > > > > This is another interesting twist. Lets break this down: > > > > IMHO:: > > > > Assam politicians: Want B'deshi Votes generally. Those who are not able to > garnish the votes, are all suddenly agog about the border control. They just > want to get elected. > > But, bad as they are - they don't hate Assam or India > > > > GOI/Central Politicians: GOI may want a Congress or whatever govt at the > state level. They too cosy up to illegals. > > Or they are totally unaware of the problem or possible don't don't where > Assam is. > > They don't hate Assam or India. > > > > People in Assam: Generally most are worried about the illegal > problem(irrespective of their religious affiliations). But they too are not > too strong in making their feelings known. > > They too don't hate India. > > > > ULFA: Though it is not its responsibility, the fact that the leaders are > holed up in B'desh, and the fact that as "protectors" of Assam they really > havent made any strong statements against illegal Bangladeshi immigrants. > How do they convince the Assamese that B'deshis will not over-run Assam > completely once they attain the ellusive independence? > > We all know, they hate India. > > > > People in other States of India: > > Many unaware of Assam. And if have heard of Assam, it is because of ULFA. > Many of those too have been trained to see such problems as a Hindu-Muslim > one. They will hear that loud and clear (if put in that context). > > But they don't hate Assam or India either. > > > > So, C'da, your statement: > > > > >how much more anti-Indian or India hater I am compared to those >who > rule India >and are in charge of border protection and law->enforcement? > > > > is not really correct. You can't equate the lack of interest or even > irresponsibility to hating or adoring Assam. Just because people who rule > India or those in charge may have a responsibility, and that they mau not > perform it well, does not mean they hate Assam. > > > > Well - there, I have tried my best. > > > > --Ram > > > > On 8/13/07,* Chan Mahanta* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ram: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 6:26 AM -0600 8/13/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote: > > C'da > > > > Couldn't resist... > > > > > > > > > *** I am not surprised Ram. But welcome to the fray . > > > > > > > > *** Let us start by answering the question: > > > > > > > * And if they are the only ones outraged or aggrieved*,* then is it > * > > * ALL of Assam's Hindus or most or just a handful of them?* > > > > > There is a reason for my asking the question. I will explain after you > do. But I like to think it won't be necessary. > > > > > > > > >It is the "legal" status they bear: Are they Indian citizens or > Bangladeshis enroaching into Assam? > > > > >All Indians ought to oppose the influx of* ILLEGAL* hordes of B'deshis. > The word Illegal means that they >are NOT Indians. > > > > > *** OK, fair enough. But if that is what the reason is, then what is the > position of those who are in charge of protecting the borders and > law-enforcement, detecting and deporting the* illegals*? What have > successive governments spanning at least three decades have done in this > matter of upholding the* LAW* of the land? Or for that matter what do they > say is their official position is on the matter? And I am asking not about > just the Assamese outraged, but all Indians too; those who you opine*OUGHT > * to be outraged ? > > > > > Let us hear answers about that, and we shall proceed to the next level of > the deliberations. > > > > > > > > >Their religion, the 'lungi-menace' etc are just your way of diluting a > very serious > > >problem in Assam. > > > > > *** I am sure it is. That is because you all know and a number of fine > netters have already branded me an anti-Indian and India-hater. Question is > how much more anti-Indian or India hater I am compared to those who rule > India and are in charge of border protection and law-enforcement? Hope you > will compare that and delineate for netters how I am doing compared to > the real Indian patriots, elected by informed and issue-wise Indians , time > and again, by popular votes, in the fine traditions of desi-demokrasy; who > are running Assam and India ? > > > > > > > > c-da > > > > > > > > PS: Chitta does not have to write to me separately seeking assistance. You > have opened the gates already. He can add to this as he sees fit :) . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *>And if they are the only ones outraged or aggrieved*,* then is it >ALL > of Assam's Hindus or most or just a handful of them?* And >is it because > of : > > > The offenders' name? > > > The color of their skin? > > ..... > > > * Or is it because of their religious persuasion*? > > > > It is the "legal" status they bear: Are they Indian citizens or > Bangladeshis enroaching into Assam? > > > > All Indians ought to oppose the influx of* ILLEGAL* hordes of B'deshis. > The word Illegal means that they are NOT Indians. Their religion, the > 'lungi-menace' etc are just your way of diluting a very serious problem in > Assam. > > > > BTW: You will find many Assamese Muslims who are equally disturbed by the > illegal B'deshi influx. > > > > It is politically advantageous for certan groups in Assam to drive a wedge > along religious lines on this issue, but the main issue still remains: > > The truth is that Assam is under siege, and a not so silent invasion from > Bangladesh. > > > > --Assam > > > > > > > > > > On 8/12/07,* Chan Mahanta* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi Chitta: > > > > > Why do you always want to equate the BDeshi issue with the Muslim > one? > > > > *** I did not even touch the M word. Give me a break, will ya :-) ? > > > > >I wonder whether you have a hidden agenda here in trying to make all > Assamese Hindus suffer >from >collective guilt complex by dubbing their anti > BDesh stance as an anti muslim one. > > > > *** Seriously though, you have explained it right here in the above > statement you made. > > > > " Assamese Hindus" > > > > Are only 'Assamese Hindus' burdened by illegal immigrants ? Is Assam the > home of B'deshi despising Hindus only?* And if they are the only ones > outraged or aggrieved*,* then is it ALL of Assam's Hindus or most or just > a handful of them?* And is it because of : > > > > > The offenders' name? > > The color of their skin? > > Their cuisine? > > The language they speak? > > The lungis they wear and the skull-caps they flaunt? > > The unkind cuts the male of their species live with? > > The high wage jobs they deprive the natives of? > > The economy they depress by their dependence on public charity? > > The criminal activities they spread in society? > > The corruption they promote by bribery of public officials? > > The economic progress they thwart by their habitual sloth? > > Inundate the free public health-care system? > > Flood the public school system with children of the non-producing, > lowering the quality > > of education? > > Usurp and rob the Oxomiya bhaxa of its purity and ownership? > > Other ills I have not mentioned, deliberately or otherwise? > > > > > * Or is it because of their religious persuasion*? > > > > I gave a few clues to finding your way to the answer to you query, all by > yourself. > > > > > So, what is it? > > > > > And what do you think my motives are; my agenda, hidden or overt? > > > > > If you are still in the dark, let me know. I will be pleased to explain > more explicitly. But there are risks associated with seeking that extra bit > of assistance. I am sure you know what those might be :-). > > > > m-da > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 8:16 PM -0700 8/11/07, chittaranjan pathak wrote: > > ""Anyone ( of the male species) looking like B'deshis must have to > prove their non-B'deshi status by > displaying accepted physical evidence to law-enforcement officials"" > > > > Mahanta da > > Why do you always want to equate the BDeshi issue with the Muslim one? I > wonder whether you have a hidden agenda here in trying to make all Assamese > Hindus suffer from collective guilt complex by dubbing their anti BDesh > stance as an anti muslim one. > > As far as I know-those who like the Assamese language will not like > "Dhonyo Noro Tonu Bhaal" less than "Pita putra" just because former is > penned by Abdul Mallick and later by Homen Borgohain. > > For Assamese-lingustic and ethnic identities are more binding than > religion. > > BJP has some 10 seats in 126 Assam assembly. And bulk of the winners are > from Barak valley. So what does it prove? Your attempt to paint BDeshi > hating Assamese Hindus as Assamese religious bigot surely is not working. > > Regards > > > > Chitta > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and > hotels<http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=47094/*http://farechase.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTFicDJoNDllBF9TAzk3NDA3NTg5BHBvcwMxMwRzZWMDZ3JvdXBzBHNsawNlbWFpbC1uY20->with > Yahoo! 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