You go on splitting hair, it does not bother me. What you are trying to say is
that ULFA is not in a position to or incapable of enter into a dialogue or
answer questions posed to it.
Unfortunately these questions are being asked by everyone in Assam and we are
perplexed why they cannot answer.
I am not interested in anything else.
Shantikam Hazarika
Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 09:31:49 -0500To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Re: [Assam] What a response? My Conclusions: PART 1
I will stay to the main issue in this part, and avoid dealing with the
extraneous issues, which I will try to address in Part 2.
I thank Hazarika for changing his earlier position expressed in the comment
"BTW Mahanta, if you are thinking that I am trying to reach out to
those whose apologist you are, forget about it, "
with the following clarification:
Our purpose was a DIALOGUE, and that too of the"sincere" variety and
the best way we could have started was byseeking answers to questions that are
plaguing the minds of most
"educated", "middle class" Assamese people.
The only things we need to decide now are:
A: Whether the questions posed by Utpal were they designed to generate a
dialogue, of give and take, of understanding each other's concerns and actions;
or subject the ULFA dispatcher to an inquisition to extract an admission from
ULFA, that their goals and objectives are all bad for Assam, while the
inquisitors' ( Utpal's , Hazarika's and those I fondly call the "'righteous
block's" ) own notions and beliefs are the right ones?
B: If the ULFA dispatcher did not or could not answer Utpal and other's
interrogations to their satisfaction, whether any satisfactory or credible
answers are at all possible, whether they exist?
Why this arises is for the simple reason that not everyone amongst us is
capable of articulating a coherent response. It is hardly a mystery that our
communicative skills, by and large, are , shall we say--a work in progress?
Utpal, a journalist, wrote his piece quite well as an interrogator's talking
points. But was it designed to understand the whole issue, as a SINCERE
DIALOGUE, as Hazarika wants us to believe?
I will let netters decide that.
It was obvious that the ULFA dispatcher was not someone used to or experienced
in effective written communication. He/she might have been farther handicapped
by not being in on ULFA's policy making
or communicating team.
He is hardly an exception. Most of those of the 'righteous block' that made
fun of Ruby Bhuyan's English language skills would not fare much higher on
the communication skills scale either.
BUT, does that mean, that there can be no good answers to the questions?
I would submit there are. As I wrote earlier, Utpal's questions were virtually
the same as those posed to this writer by Chittaranjan in May of this year. And
I addressed those in considerable detail, in mY PERSONAL CAPACITY, since I do
not speak for ULFA and am NOT PRIVY to its policy-making .
If anyone is curious enough about it, I will be pleased to revisit them, as
time permits.
Finally, I would ask 'the righteous block' and other netters this again:
Can they seriously expect ULFA to participate in a dialogue, if all they are
interested in is extracting an admission from it that what they have fought
for a quarter century and gave thousands of their lives, is all WRONG?
At 5:52 AM +0530 10/6/07, Shantikam Hazarika wrote:
Next time whenever any one has a query, the questioner would have toqualify
each question with the rationale behind each question. I thinkI would give your
argument to the Students' Union so that they canagitate that in future, every
question paper in examinations must havea page explaining what the question
setter had in mind while settingthe question.Wah.....When you have no answers
to Uttam's questions, you firstinsist what is the purpose without which you are
not willing toanswer.> But I' will give you one more chance to redeem yourself.
We all make> bad decisions every now and then. So, even though you have been>
evading the points I raised, you can correct yourself, and tell us,> that
Utpal's ploy was not a constructive one. A far better one would> have been to
engage in a sincere DIALOGUE, of give and take; ask,> answer and vice-versa.I
have much more important and better things to do than to redeem
myself before you. Our purpose was a DIALOGUE, and that too of the"sincere"
variety and the best way we could have started was byseeking answers to
questions that are plaguing the minds of most
"educated", "middle class" Assamese people. You took theresponsibility of
holding the fort on their behalf while, as it seems,they have scooted, leaving
you to hold the baby. Well, you deserve ourpity, which we extend in unbound
lots.Its not that we did not get all the answers. One we got right from
thehorse's mouth was the boundary of the "Independent Assam", wherecuriously
Bangladesh did not feature. Is it because the "IndependentAssam" you are
extolling would be a part of Bangladesh, so how does itmatter?Second answer YOU
gave was that the purpose behind all the mayhem,disturbance of peace, killing
of innocent daily labourers, is toliberate Assam......obviously from the poor
people who are beingregularly killed, or to liberate Assam from peace and
tranquility inwhich case it may be difficult to sustain the comfort zones in
whichthe leaders (and their cohorts) are dwelling?Lot of netters have patience,
I being sixty, do not have it. Also, time.Shantikam hazarikaOn 10/5/07, Chan
Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> Dear Hazarika:>>> I am sorry that you , a
well educated man, a pillar of your society,> is unable to deal with a very
simple> issue:>> *** Why can't Utpal or yourself, or anybody else, are
able> to tell us what objective they had?> Why can't you admit the
truth with the COURAGE of your convictions?>> Not that it is a secret.
Anyone with half a working brain can> see right thru it. And if it was not>
so, and had a more honorable objective, you and a bunch of> others here in
this forum> would have come out baying for my blood, for having the>
temerity to doubt the> inquisitors' integrity. They have NOT, only
because they can't.>>> And if you all had a good explanation, you would
have come> out swinging, telling the world> how wrong I am in
suggesting that a reasonable person could> have concluded that Utpal's>
AIM was not solely for proving ULFA wrong and devalue their> goals, and that
they had
> no intention of engaging in a DIALOGUE, just an inquisition.>>> But
> I' will give you one more chance to redeem yourself. We all make> bad
> decisions every now and then. So, even though you have been> evading the
> points I raised, you can correct yourself, and tell us,> that Utpal's ploy
> was not a constructive one. A far better one would> have been to engage in a
> sincere DIALOGUE, of give and take; ask,> answer and vice-versa.>> The choice
> is yours.>> Best regards.>> m>> PS: I take all your accusations, wild and sad
> as they are, in good> humor, and hold absolutely no hard feelings.>>>>>> At
> 6:30 AM +0530 10/5/07, Shantikam Hazarika wrote:> >I am not willing to get
> into an exercise of explaining the rainbow to> >the blind.> >If you do not
> have answers to the questions, just keep quiet, unless> >you have been
> appointed to deflect the main issues. It seems they have> >already run away
> from the filed, leaving their ilks of you to hold the> >illegitimate baby.>
> >Or, is it that you already know they do not have the answers or are> >not
> capable of answering legitimate questions which any normal human> >being
> would like to ask?> >> >BTW Mahanta, if you are thinking that I am trying to
> reach out to> >those whose apologist you are, forget about it, Frankly I have
> no time> >like you to split hairs and develop my mastery of deflection. You
> have> >time, go ahead, from your comfort zone, what else can you do?>
> >Shantikam Hazarika> >> >On 10/4/07, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>
> >> >>> >> But levity aside, allow me ask you and other wise folks once
> more, IF> >> Utpal's aim was merely to assert that ULFA 's aims have no
> validity, WHY on> >> earth does he or his fan club need Ruby Bhuyan or
> whoever to answer> >> anything?> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> They already know they
> are right and ULFA is wrong. They can go right on
> >> with their monologs as some of our friends do right here in assamnet
> >> with> >> the pomposity and certitude of God himself.> >>> >>> >> Am I
> >> spinning here? Is it an irrelevant question? An unreasonable one? One>
> >> >> designed to obfuscate and muddy some higher truths?> >> Tell us H.
> >> Go right ahead and mince no words. Educate us.> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >AIM
> >> of GOALS , what a fantastically creative phrase. Frankly I have come> >>
> >> across this phrase for the first >time in my life.> >>> >>> >> *** Sorry
> >> H, but conveniently cut and pasted words of mine to devalue what> >> I
> >> wrote does not rescue your sinking effort here. I wrote:> >>> >>> >>
> >> "What is missing from the exercises is a rudimentary element of> >>
> >> AIM of GOALS. "> >>> >>> >> I did however miss the comma between the two.
> >> That I remain guilty of. But> >> to attempt to use that bit of typo, or
> >> solecism if you prefer, is riskier> >> than groping at straws, won't you
> >> think?> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > If one has beliefs, one must be
> >> ready to face INQUISITIONS.> >>> >>> >> ****Is that your best argument
> >> here H?> >>> >>> >> Good sermon, I am sure. But you need a flock to
> >> listen to it. I may be off> >> the wall here, but somehow I get this
> >> feeling that ULFA is not about to make> >> a beeline to listen to or pay
> >> heed to your sermon. What do you think?> > >> >>> >> BTW, the meaning of
> >> the word INQUISITION, as you understand it and use it in> >> "---that we
> >> did not subject the leaders to frequent inquisitions," is NOT> >> what
> >> it is. If you look it up, you will know that it means: A rigorous,> >>
> >> harsh, interrogation, one that disregards the privacy rights, feelings
> >> etc.> >> of the target. One that does not allow the target to ask
> >> questions, one> >> sided inquiry.> >>> >>> >> Therefore, had you
> >> attempted to subject them to your 'inquisition', the> >> results might
> >> have been less than what you have hoped for. Just like it> >> won't work
> >> with ULFA today . To disregard it merely displays one's delusion,> >>
> >> that's all.> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>
> >> >>*************************************************************************************************************
> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> >> At 10:53 PM +0530 10/3/07,
> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > shantikam hazarika wrote:> >> What
> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > a wonderful deflection from the
> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > main issue. Chandan Mahanta, you
> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > are> >> really a master at it. If
> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > there is a Nobel equivalent, I
> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > would strongly> >> recommend you
> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > for the same.> >> Poor Utpal. I am
> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > sure he, and many like him, have
> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > been itching to ask them> >> some
> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > questions which are lurking in the
> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > minds of almost all Assamese
> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > people.> >> He got a chance and
> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > asked them, in plain, straight
> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > forward English language,> >>
> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > without any ambiguity. So, attack
> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > his "design" in asking these
> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > questions,> >> since, frankly,
> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > they and their sympathisers have no
> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > answers.> >>> >> I remember, in
> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > one of the seminars organised by
> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > the students of the Assam> >>
> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > Institute of Management on Assam's
> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > current critical problems, Sanjib>
> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> Sabhapandit used a curious
> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > phrase: "Don't intellectualise
> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > Assam's problems."> >> Well, here
> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > we are seeing an effort to
> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > intellectualise even simple and
> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > honest> >> queries to those who
> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > seem to have solutions to Assam's
> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > problems.> >>> >> No one in Assam
> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > is quite clear as to what these
> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > people are fighting for. A> >>
> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > large number of the people of Assam
> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > believe that there is a big nexus
> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > that> >> sustains them, that they
> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > are anything but revolutionaries,
> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > and when> >> opportunities are
> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > provided to them to justify their
> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > actions, they run away> >> and
> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > leave it to people like Chandan
> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > mahanta, ensconced in the middle of
> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > the> >> USA, to obfuscate the
> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > issues on their behalf. This is
> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > indeed a gem:> >> Quote> >> Where
> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > is the ORDINARY integrity expected
> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > of the intelligentsia here, if
> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > one> >> can misuse the English
> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > word under the circumstances? The
> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > sincerity of> >> purpose?> >> It
> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > is obvious that those who consider
> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > themselves the 'educated' and'wise',
> >> unlike ULFA, and who parade around wearing the garbs of pillars-of
> >> society> >> do not think so and thus the eloquent outpourings of
> >> disappointment, not to> >> mention the offenses to their genteel
> >> sensitivities . Not just that, the> >> self-fulfilling prophecies too of
> >> the band of braves indulging in the "hola> >> gosot baagi kuthar mora"
> >> enterprise, justification why their masters don't> >> talk to them, or
> >> should not.> >> unquote> >> AIM of GOALS, what a fantastically creative
> >> phrase. Frankly I have come> >> across this phrase for the first time in
> >> my life. May I add, AIM of GOALS of> >> OBJECTIVES?> >>> >> If one has
> >> beliefs, one must be ready to face INQUISITIONS. In fact, the> >>
> >> mistakes we made during the Assam Movement was that we did not subject
> >> the> >> leaders to frequent inquisitions, which resulted in the movement
> >> being led> >> astray.> >>> >> Apologists, awake, arise and continue to
> >> give proxies for those who have> >> lost the way long ago. After all you
> >> have nothing to lose.> >>> >> Shantikam Hazarika> >>> >>> >>> >>
> >> ________________________________> >>> >> Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 08:33:27
> >> -0500> >> To: assam@assamnet.org> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>
> >> Subject: Re: [Assam] What a response!!> >>> >> .ExternalClass
> >> blockquote, .ExternalClass dl, .ExternalClass ul,> >> .ExternalClass ol,
> >> .ExternalClass li> >> {padding-top:0;padding-bottom:0;}> >>> >> Before
> >> we pass judgement on the response, we also ought to be able to judge> >>
> >> the QUESTION.> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> What were the questions posed by Utpal
> >> designed to ?> >>> >>> >> To help him and others decide, if what ULFA has
> >> been fighting for, Assam's> >> sovereignty, is a sound and beneficial
> >> move for Assam? And if they are> > > persuaded by ULFA's response that
> >> they are sound, Utpal and others would> >> SUPPORT it?> >>> >>> >> Or
> >> were they designed to extract an admission from ULFA, that their own> >>
> >> notions and beliefs, that it is> >> patently bad for Assam, never mind
> >> HOW or WHY they have concluded that> >> their notions and beliefs are the
> >> truly wise and considered opinions?> >>> >>> >> Is it therefore
> >> REASONABLE to evaluate INTENT for ULFA before submitting
> >> itself to the INQUISITION?> >>> >>> >> Where is the ORDINARY integrity
> >> expected of the intelligentsia here, if one> >> can misuse the English
> >> word under the circumstances? The sincerity of> >> purpose?> >> It is
> >> obvious that those who consider themselves the 'educated' and'wise',> >>
> >> unlike ULFA, and who parade around wearing the garbs of pillars-of
> >> society> > > do not think so and thus the eloquent outpourings of>
> >> >disappointment, not to> >> mention the offenses to their genteel
> >> sensitivities . Not just that, the> >> self-fulfilling prophecies too of
> >> the band of braves indulging in the "hola> >> gosot baagi kuthar mora"
> >> enterprise, justification why their masters don't> >> talk to them, or
> >> should not.> >>> >>> >> What is missing from the exercises is a
> >> rudimentary element of AIM of> >> GOALS. Never mind the need to explore
> >> the reasons WHY ten thousand plus> >> Oxomiyas have given their lives. No
> >> doubt their lives were nearly not as> >> valuable as one Sanjoy Ghosh's.>
> >> >>> >>> >> Aimless exercises unfortunately lead to nowhere. With such
> >> pillars of> >> society looking after its well-being, one hardly needs
> >> enemies to tear it> >> down.> >>> >>> >> cm> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>
> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> At 11:19 AM +0530 10/3/07, shantikam hazarika
> >> wrote:> >>> >> It seems that some of us are being branded as part of an
> >> "unhappy gang with> >> their so-called education". And they would be
> >> 'selective' in answering their> >> questions; which means they would only
> >> reply to 'sincere' questions, from> >> 'real questioners' after their
> >> 'background check done'.> >>> >> Well, in case they have to do a
> >> background check in my case, let me tell> >> you that my life has been an
> >> open book and if a background check is requird
> >> in my case, it simly shows how much these people are in touch with
> >> reality> >> or the ground situations.> >>> >> Incidentally, let me also
> >> tell, that there has been enough background> >> checks done about these
> >> people, their cohorts, sympathisers, beneficiaries,> >> supporters,
> >> hangers one and what not. Lot of people already know who> >> benefits
> >> from their actions, who are actually propping them up. For example> >>
> >> when they killed Sanjay Ghosh, it did not require much background check
> >> to> >> find out why they did so, what was the nexus behind that sordid
> >> deal and who> >> would be the real losers if Majuli is genuinely saved in
> >> a very cost> >> effective manner. Obviously, they are buying time to
> >> prepare some> >> obfuscating response, what we may call "saale bere
> >> kobowa" reply in the> >> name of background checks and what not.> >>> >>
> >> Also they have already said that they would ignore "halfwit questions
> >> and> >> questioners". How more selective can your comfort zone be...> >>>
> >> >> Interestingly, I was reading something today and I came across the>
> >> >> follwoing phrase: The truth is that many terrorists are doing very
> >> well out> >> of violence. Extortion rackets give them a lifestyle they
> >> cannot aspire in> >> times of peace. They have money, excitement and
> >> status: what more you seek> >> in life?> >>> >> Mantabya nisproyojan.>
> >> >>> >>> >> Shantikam Hazarika> >>> >> Director,> >>> >> Assam Institute
> >> of Management> >>> >> PO Box 30, GUWAHATI 781001, India> >>> >> HOME
> >> PAGE: www.aimguwahati.edu.in> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>
> >> ________________________________> >>> >> Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 17:17:14
> >> +0100> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: assam@assamnet.org> >>
> >> Subject: Re: [Assam] assam Digest, Vol 26, Issue 66> >>> >> To:
> >> assamonline> >>> >>> >>> >> ULFA invites genuine sincere questions
> >> from persons(not gangs) not> >> happy with their so-called education
> >> ,wanting to KNOW how to fight and win> >> their great future in
> >> sovereign Assam .> >>> >>> >> Firstly we will have background checks
> >> done on real (?) questioners.> >> Please tolerate delays.> >>> >>
> >> ULFA will ignore halfwit questions and questioners who think they already
> > > know and are already bonded mentally or monetarily.> >>> >> With
> > Best Regards to respectable Assamonliners,> >>> >> Rubi> >>
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