Mukulda,
  I have one suggestion.
  Let the citizens give them the proposals and suggestions. They have to 
address them. Use RTI. The process will keep them busy and they may understand 
that they have something to produce as result.
  If they do not produce anything or if they produce something ridiculous, 
let's expose them in the media.
  Dilip

mc mahant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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Serious discussions are needed--
 How Else to make do- with what annual surface water can be had-and distributed
equitably to all LIFE living and farming in that particular watershed.
Civil Engineering  should be all about  that.
NGO's/Panchayati Raj should be all about that.
GIS/AgroTechnics/Dry-area farming techniques/Drought-Resistance-hybrids/GMcrops 
with such desireable Traits---is all about that.
Must we leave it all to Delhi -based DA and TA collectors whose only handbook 
are airlines timetables?
Get rid of these parasites-and start all over again.
MM

    
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  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 19:57:21 +0530
Subject: Re: [WaterWatch] Urgent: PR on No irrigation benefits after spending 
100 000 crores over twelve years

          Thanks, Sreekumar, my responses to your respective questions given 
below in the same sequence:
   
  1. There is some project specific information, where due to silting of dams 
and canals, the area irrigated by existing canals has been reducing. More 
importantly, there is state specific information. We have given graphs for six 
major states: AP, TN, Rajasthan, MP (including Chhattisgrh), J&K and Karnataka. 
We are collecting infomation for other states. 
   
  2. The data in our PR shows that inspite of spending so much money, net areas 
irrigated by canals has been reducing. Indeed, we were, in stead to spend money 
in proper up keep, repair and maintenance of existing infrastructure and also 
in trying to reduce siltation, the benefit per investment would be much larger 
and without the additional social and env impacts. But I cannot off hand 
remember any study on those lines. 
   
  3. The figure of 17000 crores is from a World Bank study in 2005. It does not 
give details. The total amount we have spent on big irrigation projects after 
independence is above Rs 200 000 crores. So Rs 17000 would be 8.5% of it. 
Considering about 17.8 m ha net canal irrigated areas at peak, it would mean 
about Rs 10 000/- per ha, which also includes cost of maintaining the dam 
infrastructure. It seems to be a reasonable figure, but there could be 
variation between different scales of systems/ states. 
   
  Hope this gives some indicative answers to your question.
   
  Himanshu
 
  On 10/6/07, Sreekumar N <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:             Himanshu

This is indeed a revelation! Good that you have raised an important point. Few 
doubts/clarifications please.

1. The area irrigated by existing canals must have been reducing, and this 
reduction would be more than the capacity added by new canals. Is there any 
info on reduction of irrigated area by existing canals? 

2. Is it economical to put in money to existing canals to increase irrigation? 
(In power sector, renovation & modernisation is carried out on old power plants 
to improve efficiency, after a cost benefit assesment). Have any studies been 
done for canals? 

3. You mention that 17,000 Cr should be spent on O&M, but only about 1700 Cr is 
actually being spent. Is 17,000 Cr an Ok figure for O&M? What % of the capital 
cost would that work out to be?

Regards 
sreekumar
prayas energy group


Himanshu Thakkar wrote:
      Dear All,
   
  I am copying below the main text of the Press Release we are issuing today, 
without the figures. The PDF file of the PR is also available on our website 
at: 
  
http://www.sandrp.in/irrigation/100000_crores_spent_no_irrigation_benefits_SANDRP_PR_Oct2007.pdf
 

  The word file of the PR (size: 1040 KB) can also be sent on request. 
   
  We hope you will find this useful. We would be happy to get any questions, 
comments you may have on this. 
   
  Thanking you,
   
  With best wishes,
  Himanshu Thakkar



  










-- 
Himanshu Thakkar

South Asia Network on Dams, Rivers & People
Delhi, India

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

www.sandrp.in 

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