Uttam, >There is always another view of everything. >Like terrorists killing hapless people may have a view to justify it.
I agree with the first part that there is and ought to be another view. On the second part, the key word here is "justify". When someone has to "justify", it doesn't mean that the action was "just". It simply means that many people would be convinced with some great justifications and guile. The question is, was it really "just". I don't know who, except the killers (in the example you cite), would know the real answer. As far as child labor is concerned, there are and can be numerous justifications put forward to show that we really do have "reasons" why this practice of child labor should continue. As concerned citizens, it is incumbent upon them to make the general public awareness about this sordid practice. So far, most of the justifications that I have come across (for the continued practice of child labor ) are short-term solutions to long-term, perenial problems. Its a darn shame that a poor family is forced put its children to work in order to survive. It is understandable, but still a shame. This is where the government, the NGOs, the Ambanis of the world, and good people need to step in. Safety nets have to be initiated, and really, no child in present-day India ought to ever have to work in order to survive. --Ram da On 10/31/07, uttam borthakur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > There is always another view of everything. Like terrorists killing > hapless people may have a view to justify it. The view has to be tested > whether it is conducive to humanity or not. Only that view that is > favourable to the community as a whole has to be adopted for happiness in > real terms. > > *Rajen & Ajanta Barua <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote: > > MKD wrote > >Now in a country like India, if they (child) are not put to work, they > >will either turn into urchins, vagabonds, beggars or drug addicts, > > One may ask back the question, what is meant by 'a country like India', a > country with the richest man in the world? > Whichever way we see it, if a country even cannot afford without child > labour, and try to justify 'child labour' then there something wrong with > that country, in spite of (or may be because of) having the richest man in > the world. > > Our duty is to analyse, what is wrong with us. Ram has rightly said and > which I support, "A nation that refuses to acknowledge and redress its > moral and legal obligations toward it OWN children has to be both morally > and legally bankrupt." > > Rajen Barua > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Ram Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > *To:* A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the > world<[email protected]> > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 31, 2007 9:03 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Assam] [NorthEastIndia] Mukesh Ambani - richest person in > theworld > > > >Whether child labour is good or bad is an ethical issue. The position a > person takes in this respect >would depend upon his values. That is a very > individual decision. But the question is: what is the >generally accepted > view ? It may be correct or it may be wrong. Only efflux of time would > settle these >types of isues. > > Uttam/Manoj > > IMHO, the issue of child labor has to be both a National issue as well as > a moral issue. Moreover, the strength of a democracy lies in a country's > ability to protect the weakest members (read citizens) of its society. And > children are really the most vulnerable. I have often heard arguments (that > Manoj has put forth) regarding child labor --- ie. that it has to be looked > at another way. > > >There was some report that the rescued children had no regret for > >working in such factories. In an over populated country like India, > >where every household has many mouths to feed from one income, > > The sad reality is that child labor, which ever way one looks at it, it is > still bad. The poor people who have only one income obviously have to find a > different avenue (other than on their childrens' backs) to survive. Yes, the > these are hard choices (and I do understand Manoj :)), but in the end the > country as whole has to decide how exactly it wants to get out of this > viscious circle. > > A nation that refuses to acknowledge and redress its moral and legal > obligations toward it OWN children has to be both morally and legally > bankrupt. > The least that India can do is to make sure to strictly enforce its child > labor laws, educate its adult population that child labor is simply put, bad > and unjust, and has to be eradicated. > > -- Ram da > > BTW: The day before yesterday, CNN had a special report on how some top > clothes designers (US) were using poor children in India to work long hours > etc. > > > > children has to work. For example in Kashmir children are actually > apprentices who become master crafts person once they become old > hands. Now in a country like India, if they are not put to work, they > will either turn into urchins, vagabonds, beggars or drug addicts, > > > > On 10/30/07, uttam borthakur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > There cannot be any issues in Mukesh Ambani becoming the richest man in > > the whole world. Someone has to be. The same order that catapults someone to > > unbelievable wealth, pushes others to child labour. I have been told that > > some changes are coming in the world banking system by January and the surge > > in the Indian Markets is a consequence of that. I do not haver any insider > > information and so I do not know whether it is correct. Mukesh Ambani > > happens to be in the right place at the right time. > > > > Whether child labour is good or bad is an ethical issue. The position a > > person takes in this respect would depend upon his values. That is a very > > individual decision. But the question is: what is the generally accepted > > view ? It may be correct or it may be wrong. Only efflux of time would > > settle these types of isues. > > > > *Manoj Das <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote: > > > > There is another side to the child labour issue. > > > > There was some report that the rescued children had no regret for > > working in such factories. In an over populated country like India, > > where every household has many mouths to feed from one income, > > children has to work. For example in Kashmir children are actually > > apprentices who become master crafts person once they become old > > hands. Now in a country like India, if they are not put to work, they > > will either turn into urchins, vagabonds, beggars or drug addicts, > > > > If govt. wants to seriously abolish child labor, education, social > > infrastructure has to come first so that these children are kept > > occupied gainfully. Otherwise mere rescuing them from factories will > > not serve any purpose. They are bound to take wrong paths, after a few > > days of media glare is over. > > > > -mkd > > > > On Oct 30, 2007 9:07 PM, uttam borthakur wrote: > > > We do as all prisoner do, we cultivate hope. > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > I second the hopes. > > > > > > cm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- uttam borthakur wrote: > > > > Mukesh Ambani is the richest person. > > > > Mr. Pachauri got the peace nobel. > > > > We got to be proud. > > > > > > > > But in our town, we have to queue up from the morning till night to > > get a > > > cylinder of cooking gas and that too at prices unaffordable for the > > middle > > > class.(What was Rs.300/- has become Rs.500/-, comaparatively speaking) > > The > > > cost of piped water per unit has been hiked by more than two times > > (What was > > > Rs.8/- per unit has become Rs.18/-, comparatively speaking). > > > > > > > > We hope, the achievements of the above two would lead us to > > redemption in > > > so far gas and water are concerned. > > > > > > > > Ankur Bora wrote: > > > > Along with Ambani's Richness , Ironically the following new is also > > > headlined prominently today. > > > > > > > > Indian 'slave' children found making low-cost clothes destined for > > Gap > > > > > > > > Child workers, some as young as 10, have been found working in a > > textile > > > factory in conditions close to slavery to produce clothes that appear > > > destined for Gap Kids, one of the most successful arms of the high > > street > > > giant. > > > > Speaking to The Observer, the children described long hours of > > unwaged > > > work, as well as threats and beatings. > > > > The discovery of the children working in filthy conditions in the > > Shahpur > > > Jat area of Delhi has renewed concerns about the outsourcing by large > > retail > > > chains of their garment production to India, recognised by the United > > > Nations as the world's capital for child labour. > > > > > > > > Partha Gogoi wrote: > > > > > > > > a report on the Indian stock market...... > > > > > > > > http://www.rediff.com/money/2007/oct/29mukesh1.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > QUOTE > > > > "Billionaire Mukesh Ambani on Monday became the richest person in > > the > > > world, surpassing American software czar Bill Gates, Mexican business > > tycoon > > > Carlos Slim Helu and famous investment guru Warren Buffett, courtesy > > the > > > bull run in the stock market. > > > > Following a strong share price rally today in his three group > > companies - > > > India's most valued firm Reliance Industries [Get Quote], Reliance > > Petroleum > > > [Get Quote] and Reliance Industrial Infrastructure Ltd [Get Quote] - > > the net > > > worth of Mukesh Ambani rose to $63.2 billion (Rs 2,49,108 crore). 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