Equation of Child Labour:
Supply side: Poverty
Demand side: Greed for cheap labour
The disease is systemic: -)
Ram Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Uttam,
>There is always another view of everything.
>Like terrorists killing hapless people may have a view to justify it.
I agree with the first part that there is and ought to be another view.
On the second part, the key word here is "justify". When someone has to
"justify", it doesn't mean that the action was "just". It simply means that
many people would be convinced with some great justifications and guile. The
question is, was it really "just". I don't know who, except the killers (in the
example you cite), would know the real answer.
As far as child labor is concerned, there are and can be numerous
justifications put forward to show that we really do have "reasons" why this
practice of child labor should continue.
As concerned citizens, it is incumbent upon them to make the general public
awareness about this sordid practice.
So far, most of the justifications that I have come across (for the continued
practice of child labor ) are short-term solutions to long-term, perenial
problems.
Its a darn shame that a poor family is forced put its children to work in
order to survive. It is understandable, but still a shame. This is where the
government, the NGOs, the Ambanis of the world, and good people need to step
in. Safety nets have to be initiated, and really, no child in present-day India
ought to ever have to work in order to survive.
--Ram da
On 10/31/07, uttam borthakur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: There is always
another view of everything. Like terrorists killing hapless people may have a
view to justify it. The view has to be tested whether it is conducive to
humanity or not. Only that view that is favourable to the community as a whole
has to be adopted for happiness in real terms.
Rajen & Ajanta Barua <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: MKD wrote
>Now in a country like India, if they (child) are not put to work, they
>will either turn into urchins, vagabonds, beggars or drug addicts,
One may ask back the question, what is meant by 'a country like India', a
country with the richest man in the world?
Whichever way we see it, if a country even cannot afford without child
labour, and try to justify 'child labour' then there something wrong with that
country, in spite of (or may be because of) having the richest man in the
world.
Our duty is to analyse, what is wrong with us. Ram has rightly said and
which I support, "A nation that refuses to acknowledge and redress its moral
and legal obligations toward it OWN children has to be both morally and legally
bankrupt."
Rajen Barua
----- Original Message -----
From: Ram Sarangapani
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Subject: Re: [Assam] [NorthEastIndia] Mukesh Ambani - richest person in
theworld
>Whether child labour is good or bad is an ethical issue. The position a
person takes in this respect >would depend upon his values. That is a very
individual decision. But the question is: what is the >generally accepted view
? It may be correct or it may be wrong. Only efflux of time would settle these
>types of isues.
Uttam/Manoj
IMHO, the issue of child labor has to be both a National issue as well as a
moral issue. Moreover, the strength of a democracy lies in a country's ability
to protect the weakest members (read citizens) of its society. And children are
really the most vulnerable. I have often heard arguments (that Manoj has put
forth) regarding child labor --- ie. that it has to be looked at another way.
>There was some report that the rescued children had no regret for
>working in such factories. In an over populated country like India,
>where every household has many mouths to feed from one income,
The sad reality is that child labor, which ever way one looks at it, it is
still bad. The poor people who have only one income obviously have to find a
different avenue (other than on their childrens' backs) to survive. Yes, the
these are hard choices (and I do understand Manoj :)), but in the end the
country as whole has to decide how exactly it wants to get out of this viscious
circle.
A nation that refuses to acknowledge and redress its moral and legal
obligations toward it OWN children has to be both morally and legally bankrupt.
The least that India can do is to make sure to strictly enforce its child
labor laws, educate its adult population that child labor is simply put, bad
and unjust, and has to be eradicated.
-- Ram da
BTW: The day before yesterday, CNN had a special report on how some top
clothes designers (US) were using poor children in India to work long hours etc.
children has to work. For example in Kashmir children are actually
apprentices who become master crafts person once they become old
hands. Now in a country like India, if they are not put to work, they
will either turn into urchins, vagabonds, beggars or drug addicts,
On 10/30/07, uttam borthakur <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: There cannot be
any issues in Mukesh Ambani becoming the richest man in the whole world.
Someone has to be. The same order that catapults someone to unbelievable
wealth, pushes others to child labour. I have been told that some changes are
coming in the world banking system by January and the surge in the Indian
Markets is a consequence of that. I do not haver any insider information and so
I do not know whether it is correct. Mukesh Ambani happens to be in the right
place at the right time.
Whether child labour is good or bad is an ethical issue. The position a
person takes in this respect would depend upon his values. That is a very
individual decision. But the question is: what is the generally accepted view ?
It may be correct or it may be wrong. Only efflux of time would settle these
types of isues.
Manoj Das <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
There is another side to the child labour issue.
There was some report that the rescued children had no regret for
working in such factories. In an over populated country like India,
where every household has many mouths to feed from one income,
children has to work. For example in Kashmir children are actually
apprentices who become master crafts person once they become old
hands. Now in a country like India, if they are not put to work, they
will either turn into urchins, vagabonds, beggars or drug addicts,
If govt. wants to seriously abolish child labor, education, social
infrastructure has to come first so that these children are kept
occupied gainfully. Otherwise mere rescuing them from factories will
not serve any purpose. They are bound to take wrong paths, after a few
days of media glare is over.
-mkd
On Oct 30, 2007 9:07 PM, uttam borthakur wrote:
> We do as all prisoner do, we cultivate hope.
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I second the hopes.
>
> cm
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> ---- uttam borthakur wrote:
> > Mukesh Ambani is the richest person.
> > Mr. Pachauri got the peace nobel.
> > We got to be proud.
> >
> > But in our town, we have to queue up from the morning till night to get a
> cylinder of cooking gas and that too at prices unaffordable for the middle
> class.(What was Rs.300/- has become Rs.500/-, comaparatively speaking) The
> cost of piped water per unit has been hiked by more than two times (What was
> Rs.8/- per unit has become Rs.18/-, comparatively speaking).
> >
> > We hope, the achievements of the above two would lead us to redemption in
> so far gas and water are concerned.
> >
> > Ankur Bora wrote:
> > Along with Ambani's Richness , Ironically the following new is also
> headlined prominently today.
> >
> > Indian 'slave' children found making low-cost clothes destined for Gap
> >
> > Child workers, some as young as 10, have been found working in a textile
> factory in conditions close to slavery to produce clothes that appear
> destined for Gap Kids, one of the most successful arms of the high street
> giant.
> > Speaking to The Observer, the children described long hours of unwaged
> work, as well as threats and beatings.
> > The discovery of the children working in filthy conditions in the Shahpur
> Jat area of Delhi has renewed concerns about the outsourcing by large retail
> chains of their garment production to India, recognised by the United
> Nations as the world's capital for child labour.
> >
> > Partha Gogoi wrote:
> >
> > a report on the Indian stock market......
> >
> > http://www.rediff.com/money/2007/oct/29mukesh1.htm
> >
> >
> > QUOTE
> > "Billionaire Mukesh Ambani on Monday became the richest person in the
> world, surpassing American software czar Bill Gates, Mexican business tycoon
> Carlos Slim Helu and famous investment guru Warren Buffett, courtesy the
> bull run in the stock market.
> > Following a strong share price rally today in his three group companies -
> India's most valued firm Reliance Industries [Get Quote], Reliance Petroleum
> [Get Quote] and Reliance Industrial Infrastructure Ltd [Get Quote] - the net
> worth of Mukesh Ambani rose to $63.2 billion (Rs 2,49,108 crore). "
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