> >But, this much I can vouchsafe, at our Bihu celebrations, after the show, >the young men (and some not so young men :)) and ladies had the place >looking spotless in no time. The same with the afternoon session.
**** That is why I qualified my comment with " CERTAIN" ( after a gathering of certain communities.). Some communities are far better than others :-). But there are far too few Kharkhowas to make a 'community' , much less a ghetto to be reviled. >C'mon C'da... we don't want to indict ourselves, do we? *** Speak for yourself Ram :-). At 12:02 PM -0500 6/12/08, Ram Sarangapani wrote: >C'da, > >You have touched on one of may favorite topics:) > >I have to say, I mostly agree with you. Regarding the long haul flights to >Dilli/Kolkatta, I have a theory: > >Use the facilities within the 1st 5 minutes or so. After that you are on >your own. Those flight facilities can make the best of us hardy, and after a >few such flights, one can declare just like George Bush - 'Bring 'it on'. > >This past month, on our way back from Europe, we caught KLM from Amsterdam. >That choice flight was also picking up passengers from India. Needless to >say (and as I expected), the toilets were rendered useless in no time. They >ran out of water (it was all on the floor), with toilet paper strewn all >over. > >> And I have witnesses, from Houston , who will testify to that to you. >>They drove us there > >You could be correct - there are some areas concentrated by Pakistanis and >B'deshis too, and one can easily mistake them for desi desis :):) > >But, this much I can vouchsafe, at our Bihu celebrations, after the show, >the young men (and some not so young men :)) and ladies had the place >looking spotless in no time. The same with the afternoon session. > >>Is there something genetic here :-)? > >C'mon C'da... we don't want to indict ourselves, do we? > >--Ram > > >On 6/12/08, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> >> I do believe that people have a capacity to learn and they usually >> do. But my own observations are that Indians take a loooong time to >> learn civic lessons, particularly when they are in any concentration. >> >> I am sure you know all too well about the environment inside >> transcontinental flights in their last legs into India, Ram. Don't >> you? >> >> I remember a desi-shopping center parking lot and surroundings in >> Houston from about three or four years back that looked quite filthy. >> There was trash all around. And I have witnesses, from Houston , who >> will testify to that to you. They drove us there. >> >> Similarly on and around Devon Street of Chicago. >> >> And last but not the least, right here at the Mahatma Gandhi Center > > of St. Louis after a gathering of certain communities. Being in the >> Board of this facility I also know, first hand, how they trash the >> place, remove property, stuff the toilets --- you name it. What was >> even more disconcerting was when a Board Member of the Temple next >> -door told me a few weeks back, in whispers, of the horror stories >> they experience, in their TEMPLE! >> >> Is there something genetic here :-)? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> At 10:54 AM -0500 6/12/08, Ram Sarangapani wrote: >> > >Like the Houston desi-enclave ( I am not sure what it is called), or >> >>Devon Street area of Chicago, or Jackson Heights in NY. Are they >> >>particularly unkempt, with trash strewn around for example? >> > >> >In Houston, we have the Harwin/Hilcroft area. The area (at one time) had a >> >drap look. But today, modern shopping centers, and mini malls have been >> >built (all by desis), and attracts shoppers from many parts of Texas (not >> >just desis though). >> > >> >I remember, some years ago, there were several paan dukanis (paan shops) >> >there, and desi paan chewers would spit (peek pelai) the paan crud around > > >the shop. The city health dept. couldn't figure out all the 'blood' around >> >the place... when they did, they gave a stiff warning to the paan dukani. > > It >> >doesn't happen now. >> > >> >The Houston desi population is still small compared to Southhall (London) >> >and so it has managed to keep clean even in areas where there are higher >> >concentrations.. >> > >> >--Ram >> > >> > >> > >> >On 6/12/08, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> I was inquiring about heavily desi-immigrant populated neighborhoods >> >> in the USA or Britain or such other western countries. >> >> >> >> Like the Houston desi-enclave ( I am not sure what it is called), or >> >> Devon Street area of Chicago, or Jackson Heights in NY. Are they >> >> particularly unkempt, with trash strewn around for example? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> At 9:51 AM -0500 6/12/08, Ram Sarangapani wrote: >> >> >C'da, >> >> > >> >> >>*** Is there any reason for such a perception among westerners or >is >> it >> >> a >> >> >case of racism? >> >> > >> >> >I don't think one can call it 'racism' but rather some sort of >> prejudice >> >> >or perceived notion. >> >> > >> >> >If one were to visit certain parts of India, citizens are least >> bothered >> >> >about throwing garbage out of the windows and on to the >> streets. Public >> >> >sanitation and health is huge problem in India. >> >> > >> >> >Guwahati for instance, most will agree, that while homes are usually >> very >> >> >clean, the streets outside are strewn with garbage & filth everywhere, >> and >> >> >the Bharalu and the Brahmaputra are where everything winds up in the >> end. >> >> > >> >> >I understand there are many reasons for this, but public apathy and >> lack >> >> of >> >> >'ownership' of the surroundings must have contributed something to the >> >> >plight of Guwahati. >> >> > >> >> >The 'racism' part comes from some Westerners when they probably relate >> to >> >> >what they see on TV about India, Africa, the Sudan, and then see some >> >> >Indians reiterating whats seen on TV. >> >> > >> >> >BTW: Yesterday, while listening to a 'right wing' talk radio, and they >> >> were >> >> >talking about Korean Restaurants feeding dog meat to customers (in the >> >> US). >> >> > >> >> >Many callers were convinced that was the case (even though they had >> never >> >> >visited or actually knew about Korea, and were sure that dog meat was >> was >> > > >there (but of the menu). Now, that is a problem of perception >> >> > >> >> >--Ram >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >On 6/12/08, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> "----blaming Indian immigrants for littering." >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *** Is there any reason for such a perception among westerners or >> is >> >> >> it a case of racism? >> >> >> >> >> >> cm >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>*********************************************************************************************************** >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/British_councillor_apologises_for_racist_remarks_on_Indians/articleshow/3123690.cms >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> LONDON: A local authority councillor in London has been forced to >> >> >> apologise after blaming Indian immigrants for littering. >> >> >> >> >> >> Lucy Ivimy of the Hammersmith and Fulham local authority in west >> >> >> London was slammed after claiming in an email that Indians in an >> >> >> apartment block were throwing rubbish out of the window. >> >> >> >> >> >> While such practice was "normal behaviour" in India, to do so in >> >> >> Britain was "not acceptable behaviour", she said in the email. >> >> >> >> >> >> Residents said there was no evidence Indians were tossing rubbish >> out >> >> >> of the window -- or indeed that there were any Indians at the >> >> >> Woodford Court apartment block. >> >> >> >> >> >> In a statement issued on Wednesday, Ivimy said: "I am aware that >> some >> >> >> ill-advised comments of mine in a private email have been >> interpreted >> >> >> as something that I never meant and have given offence, for which I > > >> >> unreservedly apologise. >> >> >> >> >> >> "I should stress that I have no idea who are the specific culprits, > > >> >> or even if they are estate residents." >> >> >> >> >> >> "I never meant to imply that this sort of careless behaviour >> belongs >> >> >> specifically to any one particular group." >> >> >> >> >> >> Stephen Cowan, leader of the Labour group in the Tory-run council, >> >> >> said: "This shows her inherent prejudice." >> >> >> >> >> >> He said Ivimy, as a member of the council's cabinet looking after >> >> >> housing, was responsible for 14,000 tenants' homes and over 4,000 >> >> >> leaseholders' homes and all the housing association homes in the >> >> >> borough of Hammersmith and Fulham. >> >> >> >> >> >> "Many of those people, like the whole of London, come from all >> sorts >> >> >> of backgrounds." >> >> >> >> >> >> Dang Sakares, who has lived on the apartment block for eight years, >> >> >> said: "I don't think I've seen any Indian people in this block." >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> > > assam mailing list >> >> >> [email protected] >> >> >> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org >> >> >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >> >> >assam mailing list >> >> >[email protected] >> >> >http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> assam mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >> >assam mailing list >> >[email protected] >> >http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> assam mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org >> >_______________________________________________ >assam mailing list >[email protected] >http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org _______________________________________________ assam mailing list [email protected] http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
