Yes I have. And I know of those conditions, which are also effected by the economic conditions of the people involved.
We were, however, talking of Indians , whose economic conditions, at least in the USA, are of a far higher caliber, per capita; than these other communities'. Therefore the comparison does not apply. At 10:00 AM -0700 6/12/08, Krishnendu Chakraborty wrote: >C'da, have you been to Chinese dominated areas in US >(like Chinatown in Boston) or the hispanic dominated >areas (Chelsea or Revere near Boston) ? I have been >to Devon and frequented to Oak Tree Road (Edison, NJ). > Those are clean compared to some pockets of Boston. > >Not to defend desi community but it is same everywhere >when you have a lot of people recently migrated from a >third world country. > > > >**************************************************************** >I do believe that people have a capacity to learn and >they usually >do. But my own observations are that Indians take a >loooong time to >learn civic lessons, particularly when they are in any >concentration. > >I am sure you know all too well about the environment >inside >transcontinental flights in their last legs into >India, Ram. Don't >you? > >I remember a desi-shopping center parking lot and >surroundings in >Houston from about three or four years back that >looked quite filthy. >There was trash all around. And I have witnesses, from >Houston , who >will testify to that to you. They drove us there. > >Similarly on and around Devon Street of Chicago. > >And last but not the least, right here at the Mahatma >Gandhi Center >of St. Louis after a gathering of certain communities. >Being in the >Board of this facility I also know, first hand, how >they trash the >place, remove property, stuff the toilets --- you >name it. What was >even more disconcerting was when a Board Member of the >Temple next >-door told me a few weeks back, in whispers, of the >horror stories >they experience, in their TEMPLE! > >Is there something genetic here :-)? > > > > > > > > > > > > > >At 10:54 AM -0500 6/12/08, Ram Sarangapani wrote: >> >Like the Houston desi-enclave ( I am not sure what >it is called), or >>>Devon Street area of Chicago, or Jackson Heights in >NY. Are they >>>particularly unkempt, with trash strewn around for >example? >> >>In Houston, we have the Harwin/Hilcroft area. The >area (at one time) had a >>drap look. But today, modern shopping centers, and >mini malls have been >>built (all by desis), and attracts shoppers from many >parts of Texas (not >>just desis though). >> >>I remember, some years ago, there were several paan >dukanis (paan shops) >>there, and desi paan chewers would spit (peek pelai) >the paan crud around >>the shop. The city health dept. couldn't figure out >all the 'blood' around >>the place... when they did, they gave a stiff warning >to the paan dukani. It >>doesn't happen now. >> >>The Houston desi population is still small compared >to Southhall (London) >>and so it has managed to keep clean even in areas >where there are higher >>concentrations.. >> >>--Ram >> >> >> >>On 6/12/08, Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net> >wrote: >>> >>> >>> I was inquiring about heavily desi-immigrant >populated neighborhoods >>> in the USA or Britain or such other western >countries. >>> >>> Like the Houston desi-enclave ( I am not sure what >it is called), or >>> Devon Street area of Chicago, or Jackson Heights >in NY. Are they >>> particularly unkempt, with trash strewn around for >example? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> At 9:51 AM -0500 6/12/08, Ram Sarangapani wrote: >>> >C'da, > >> > >>> >>*** Is there any reason for such a perception >among westerners or >is it >>> a >>> >case of racism? >>> > >>> >I don't think one can call it 'racism' but rather >some sort of prejudice >>> >or perceived notion. >>> > >>> >If one were to visit certain parts of India, >citizens are least bothered >>> >about throwing garbage out of the windows and on >to the streets. Public >>> >sanitation and health is huge problem in India. > >> > >>> >Guwahati for instance, most will agree, that >while homes are usually very >>> >clean, the streets outside are strewn with >garbage & filth everywhere, and >>> >the Bharalu and the Brahmaputra are where >everything winds up in the end. >>> > >>> >I understand there are many reasons for this, but >public apathy and lack >>> of >>> >'ownership' of the surroundings must have >contributed something to the >>> >plight of Guwahati. >>> > >>> >The 'racism' part comes from some Westerners when >they probably relate to >>> >what they see on TV about India, Africa, the >Sudan, and then see some >>> >Indians reiterating whats seen on TV. >>> > >>> >BTW: Yesterday, while listening to a 'right wing' >talk radio, and they >>> were >>> >talking about Korean Restaurants feeding dog meat >to customers (in the >>> US). >>> > >>> >Many callers were convinced that was the case >(even though they had never >>> >visited or actually knew about Korea, and were >sure that dog meat was was >> > >there (but of the menu). Now, that is a problem >of perception >>> > >>> >--Ram >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >On 6/12/08, Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at >charter.net> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> "----blaming Indian immigrants for littering." >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> *** Is there any reason for such a perception >among westerners or is >>> >> it a case of racism? >>> >> >>> >> cm >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>> >>>*********************************************************************************************************** >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>>http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/British_councillor_apologises_for_racist_remarks_on_Indians/articleshow/3123690.cms >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> LONDON: A local authority councillor in London >has been forced to >>> >> apologise after blaming Indian immigrants for >littering. >>> >> >>> >> Lucy Ivimy of the Hammersmith and Fulham local >authority in west >>> >> London was slammed after claiming in an email >that Indians in an >>> >> apartment block were throwing rubbish out of >the window. >>> >> >>> >> While such practice was "normal behaviour" in >India, to do so in >>> >> Britain was "not acceptable behaviour", she >said in the email. >>> >> >>> >> Residents said there was no evidence Indians >were tossing rubbish out >>> >> of the window -- or indeed that there were any >Indians at the >>> >> Woodford Court apartment block. >>> >> >>> >> In a statement issued on Wednesday, Ivimy >said: "I am aware that some >>> >> ill-advised comments of mine in a private >email have been interpreted >>> >> as something that I never meant and have given >offence, for which I >>> >> unreservedly apologise. >>> >> >>> >> "I should stress that I have no idea who are >the specific culprits, >>> >> or even if they are estate residents." >>> >> >>> >> "I never meant to imply that this sort of >careless behaviour belongs >>> >> specifically to any one particular group." >>> >> >>> >> Stephen Cowan, leader of the Labour group in >the Tory-run council, >>> >> said: "This shows her inherent prejudice." >>> >> >>> >> He said Ivimy, as a member of the council's >cabinet looking after >>> >> housing, was responsible for 14,000 tenants' >homes and over 4,000 >>> >> leaseholders' homes and all the housing >association homes in the >>> >> borough of Hammersmith and Fulham. >>> >> >>> >> "Many of those people, like the whole of >London, come from all sorts >>> >> of backgrounds." >>> >> >>> >> Dang Sakares, who has lived on the apartment >block for eight years, >>> >> said: "I don't think I've seen any Indian >people in this block." >>> >> >_______________________________________________ >>> > > assam mailing list > >> >> assam at assamnet.org >>> >> >http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org >>> >> >>> >_______________________________________________ >>> >assam mailing list >>> >assam at assamnet.org >>> >>http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >assam mailing list >[email protected] >http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org _______________________________________________ assam mailing list [email protected] http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
