How about this article from Human Rights Watch website? Is it credible? HRW is watching out for the children of Chattisgarh who become pawns between Naxalites and the Police Force. The article is long. So I posted the link below. www.hrw.org/en/node/75148/section/8 ===============================================================
--- On Tue, 8/24/10, Ram Sarangapani <[email protected]> wrote: From: Ram Sarangapani <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Assam] The Naxal/Maoist Movement, Part 2? To: "A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world" <[email protected]> Date: Tuesday, August 24, 2010, 12:45 PM No, C'da, you misunderstood. All I was asking was, if after you had vetted this news out, did you find it to be accurate or not. I was not going into the reasons, root cause etc, and where one might justice. Just whether the news was accurate, since you had an " approach has always been to examine the fundamental principles, not the news or reports that we can never be sure of." :-) --Ram On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 12:17 PM, Chan Mahanta <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > So, what conclusions did you come up with regarding the rape allegations > as > > reported in the TOI? > > > > > **** I don't NEED to draw conclusions from it. It is quite obvious to me > WHY the Naxal movement is there. > > Nothing that has happened to Uma ( or not) or any other such > person/persons, will anyway, make it go away. > If the report was accurate, there will be no justice found for her. > Rebellions and insurgencies are NOT places where one goes > seeking uniform or any justice. Justice must be SOUGHT and FOUND in what is > purported to be the 'democratic state' . > > And IF the report was trumped up or fabricated, it would be yet another > attempt by the dysfunctional state and its willing > or unwitting accomplices in spreading propaganda to counter the rebels' > spread. > > > > > > > On Aug 24, 2010, at 12:08 PM, Ram Sarangapani wrote: > > >> That is why, MY approach has always been to examine the fundamental > > principles, not the news or reports that we can never be sure of. > > > > Excellent, C'da. > > > > So, what conclusions did you come up with regarding the rape allegations > as > > reported in the TOI? > > > > --Ram > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Chan Mahanta <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > >>> Uttam - this not about you or me suspecting the sources of news - but, > we > >>> all know, 'manufactured news' is becoming quite common these days. And > >> this > >>> makes us all susitible to pick & choose the news we want to believe, > and > >>> suspect the others as being manufactured. Unless it is quite blatant > like > >>> MMS is a Naxal (as you put it). > >> > >> > >> > >> **** There are different kinds of NEWS Ram. Some we can reasonably > expect > >> to be accurate or nearly accurate. There are other types of news that we > can > >> NEVER be sure of. > >> > >> That is why, MY approach has always been to examine the fundamental > >> principles, not the news or reports that we can never be sure of. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Aug 24, 2010, at 11:28 AM, Ram Sarangapani wrote: > >> > >>> I too, am not too familiar with the term, but in this context (as it > >> could > >>> well apply to me) it means unnecessary arguments, or arguments for > >> arguments > >>> sake, or arguing just for the heck of it. :-). > >>> > >>> But there is a reasoning (even in this crazed mind of mine): Why would > >> this > >>> question of 'plugged news' not come up with other opposing news? > >>> > >>> > >>> btw: here are some links of rapes by Maoists on their own cadres - one > of > >>> them is from March this year. Different newspapers, different times - > all > >> of > >>> them bought, & loaded? I don't know. > >>> > >>> http://www.sajha.com/sajha/html/OpenThread.cfm?forum=2&ThreadID=23458 > >>> > >>> > >> > http://news.oneindia.in/2010/03/05/maoists-shoot-girl-for-filing-rape-case.html > >>> > >>> http://www.deccanchronicle.com/national/maoists-rape-teen-who-quit-068 > >>> > >>> Uttam - this not about you or me suspecting the sources of news - but, > we > >>> all know, 'manufactured news' is becoming quite common these days. And > >> this > >>> makes us all susitible to pick & choose the news we want to believe, > and > >>> suspect the others as being manufactured. Unless it is quite blatant > like > >>> MMS is a Naxal (as you put it). > >>> > >>> I am in a bit of a rush - but will attempt to respond to all, later > this > >>> evening > >>> > >>> -- Ram da > >>> > >>> On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 11:08 AM, Chan Mahanta <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>>> > >>>> I am not familiar with the term 'koot-torko', but in this context, > could > >> it > >>>> be disingenuous arguments :-)? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Aug 24, 2010, at 10:52 AM, uttam borthakur wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Ram Da, > >>>>> I thought I was weighing a sort of balanced view, when I pointed out > >> two > >>>> possibilities: that the rape news was either plugged or may be wholly/ > >>>> partially true. But you seem to have told me that I should take only > one > >>>> view.: that rape news is true. > >>>>> While the report on Supreme Court judgment reported in the TOI can be > >>>> verified from the records of the Court and reports of the cases used > for > >>>> precedents; you perhaps cannot verify the authenticity of a reporter > >>>> alleging rape by Kishanji or his camp followers. And if you are not > too > >>>> biased, you surely know what 'plugging' is in journalistic term, as I > >>>> remember learning the term long ago from the notorious novel The > >>>> Fountainhead in my teens. Does that mean each and every item in a news > >> paper > >>>> has to be 'plugged'? You simply cannot report that MMS has become a > >> Naxal > >>>> today; but you may always report that from a reliable source you have > >> learnt > >>>> that there is going to be a cabinet reshuffle. The first one would > make > >> you > >>>> lose credibility, which a paper like TOI cannot afford; and the second > >> it > >>>> can always report without losing credibility, as it is not > verifiable. > >> In > >>>> Assam, at this moment, NEWSLIVE owned by Himanta Biswa Sarma has to > >> report > >>>> Okhil Gogoi's > >>>>> meetings; but it also publishes hearsay that everyone speaking about > >> Sri > >>>> Gogoi having sold his soul to Himanta Biswa Sarma for a sum of Rs.2 > >> crores, > >>>> which is not verifiable. > >>>>> Why are you snaring me into a debate that takes us away from the core > >>>> issues? > >>>>> Your second remark is also full of holes. Yes, Kishanji may not hold > a > >>>> court of inquiry against himself; that is why I said that if the > Naxals/ > >>>> Maoists fail to bring the guilty (whoever it is) to book, then they > will > >>>> lose support base in no time. Where did I go wrong? What new dimension > >> have > >>>> you added to what I said, but you are giving an impression that I had > >> told > >>>> something childish. > >>>>> It has taken 23 years to reach the Supreme Court a 'question' of > >>>> compensation to displaced people, who had been displaced by the > >> Government, > >>>> that should have been settled by the Government, which claims to > >> represent > >>>> the people in a democracy.Except one with blinkers shall spread the > >> angelic > >>>> message around that " look, look, it may be justice delayed, but not > >> justice > >>>> denied; the beauty of the Indian judiciary that still works in this > >> thriving > >>>> democracy". > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Ram Sarangapani assamrs at gmail.com > >>>>> Tue Aug 24 09:35:04 IST 2010Previous message: [Assam] The > Naxal/Maoist > >>>> Movement, Part 2?Next message: [Assam] I am not opposed to talks: ULFA > >>>> leaderMessages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author > ]Dear > >>>> Uttam, > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> There may be two possibilities. (1) The story is state propaganda > and > >>>> (2) > >>>>> The story may be true, partially or wholly. > >>>>>> If it is a propaganda, > >>>>> > >>>>> Ah, yes. I had plum forgotten about that distinct possibility about > the > >>>> TOI > >>>>> making this whole thing (no doubt egged on by the state machinery). > >>>>> > >>>>> So, Uttam, what about the other stories (from the TOI)? Should we > >>>> discount > >>>>> them...? I think, I'll just cherry pick. That suits me quite well. > >>>>> > >>>>>> If it is true, partially or wholly, then the Naxals/ Maoists would > >> lose > >>>>> support if those guilty of the crimes are not brought to books and > >>>> awarded > >>>>>> exemplary punishments either by their own courts, > >>>>> > >>>>> The problem, Uttam, is that (according to the story), it is the > leaders > >>>> who > >>>>> are the ones committing the rapes. I am not really sure they will be > >>>> really > >>>>> gung ho on some kind of court (to punish the guilty). > >>>>> > >>>>>> BTW: 2000 farmers from Chattisgarh in the meanwhile have petitioned > >> the > >>>>> President asking for permission to commit suicide, because of hunger. > >>>>> > >>>>> Hunger and poverty are real issues, and I certainly think these have > to > >>>> be > >>>>> addressed in all seriousness. > >>>>> > >>>>> But tell me something, why would potential suiciders (as GW Bush > loved > >> to > >>>>> say) want to take the permission from anyone. > >>>>> If the president gave her assent, would they go ahead? > >>>>> > >>>>> Mass suicides are organized, and quite possibly lead by some > political > >>>> hack. > >>>>> But I do believe there are genuine cases, > >>>>> which may be in the 100s at least, and do need governmental > >> intervention. > >>>>> > >>>>> --Ram da > >>>>> > >>>>> Uttam Kumar Borthakur > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> assam mailing list > >>>>> [email protected] > >>>>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> assam mailing list > >>>> [email protected] > >>>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > >>>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> assam mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> assam mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > assam mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > > > _______________________________________________ > assam mailing list > [email protected] > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > _______________________________________________ assam mailing list [email protected] http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org _______________________________________________ assam mailing list [email protected] http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
