>The lighting of Christmas trees is akin to ground-breaking pujas and could
>be termed 'cultural'.


**** That is a real streeeetch! Diwali lighting maybe. But not performing 
Pujas.,
which will be same as holding a church service. Would they let the Muslims 
perform a similar service ? Or would they have let a Dalit perform such a Puja?







On Feb 11, 2011, at 1:15 PM, Ram Sarangapani wrote:

> KC,
> 
> Even in Texas, there are court buildings with the 10 Commandments.
> 
> The greater issue is that media channels like Fox or any number of the
> conservative talk shows, and even senators & congressmen/women are regularly
> on the media spewing one form hatred (or prejudice) or another. And these
> folks are supposedly the intellectuals of the country.
> 
> Most will skillfully maneuver themselves just short of existing laws (or
> societal principles).
> 
> The lighting of Christmas trees is akin to ground-breaking pujas and could
> be termed 'cultural'.
> 
> --Ram da
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 12:49 PM, Krishnendu Chakraborty <
> [email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> Here is from wiki --
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Moore#Early_prayer.2FTen_Commandments_controversy
>> "The practice of opening court sessions with prayer, though not uniform
>> throughout Alabama, continues in state courtrooms today"
>> 
>> **** The difference lies in HOW those who believe in those PRINCIPLES in
>> reality
>> ( not just wear them on their sleeves to look good) fight back.
>> 
>> ---  I thought you are one of those who believe "in those PRINCIPLES in
>> reality"   but strange I never saw you fighting back Obama's lighting the
>> CHRISTMAS tree or Supreme Court (and numerous other US Govt. offices)
>> decorated with CHRISTMAS tree.
>> 
>> May be I was wrong and you are just one who wear them on their sleeves to
>> look good :)
>> 
>> 
>> BTW, WHOSE tradition is it to decorate a Christmas tree ?
>> 
>> Tough questions ... I understand.  Don't bother to even attempt to reply.
>> 
>> *****************************************************************
>> On Feb 11, 2011, at 11:52 AM, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
>>> Well, C'da
>>> 
>>> I don't think they should be taken lying down. People do protest. And
>>> sometimes those protests work. But, how on earth are you going to change
>>> belief systems & prejudices that are ages old.
>> 
>> **** That has to come from the intellectuals from the ranks of the
>> adherents of those faiths.
>> If it is absent, it demonstrates the vacuity of their beliefs.
>> 
>>> And unfortunately, you don't have go all the way to India to find
>> examples.
>>> You can pretty much find some great examples in this country - the
>> bastion
>>> of secular/democratic principles
>> 
>> **** The difference lies in HOW those who believe in those PRINCIPLES in
>> reality
>> ( not just wear them on their sleeves to look good) fight back. Remember
>> the TEN Commandments
>> Statue in the Alabama Supreme Court Building? You know where they are now,
>> don't you :-)?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> --Ram
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> *** So, should that therefore be accepted, taken lying down :-)?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Feb 11, 2011, at 11:20 AM, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>> What I object to is claiming to be secular on the one hand, while
>>>>> practising religious hegemony, on the sly or overtly.
>>>>> 
>>>>> C'da,
>>>>> 
>>>>> While this sounds nice, it is really Utopian. I don't believe there is
>> a
>>>>> single country where religious hegemony does not exist in some for or
>> the
>>>>> other (of course, I am talking about democracies).
>>>>> 
>>>>> And in democracies, it's not just the problems of religious hegemony,
>>>> don't
>>>>> forget to add language, state, race, caste & color into the mix.
>>>>> 
>>>>> ---Ram
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> *** I think so too. They have a long and enviable history and
>>>> civilization.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> *** I have no problem with a homogeneous society willing to remain
>> bound
>>>>>> by religious rule--its their choice. What I object to is claiming to
>> be
>>>>>> secular on the one hand, while
>>>>>> practising religious hegemony, on the sly or overtly.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Feb 11, 2011, at 10:59 AM, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hehe!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Now, we will have to see if that bit of 'secularism' you were just
>>>>>> talking
>>>>>>> about will be palatable :-)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> But, I think, the Egyptians will just fine. From all indications, it
>>>>>> looks
>>>>>>> like the army will facilitate the transition, and Egypt will have a
>>>>>>> government chosen by it's people.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ---Ram
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 10:49 AM, Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at
>> gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Now comes the hard part :-)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Feb 11, 2011, at 10:41 AM, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/02/11/egypt.protests/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1
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