At 9:21 PM -0400 9/5/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>In a message dated 9/4/03 9:32:39 PM Central Daylight Time,
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> The National Council of Churches in India themselves admit that there are
>"cases of forced conversion!"



*** I am merely curious about HOW a 'FORCED CONVERSION' could stick? It is
an intellectually untenable proposition.



>Moreover, Mother Teresa once said, "there is always the danger that we may
>>become only social workers and just do the work for the sake of the work."

*** SO?



> In 1997, 50,000 Reang tribals fled Mizoram in fear of the Catholic's
>spree of >looting, burning, raping and killing.

*** And so did the Muslims after the Gujarati Hindus' carnage  over Muslims
last year in the aftermath of Godhra. What does that have anything to do
with FORCED conversion?



>In Jan 1999, a delegation of Dimasa tribals from Assam met the Home
>Minister to >demand a separate state to protect their identity. Their main
>>concern....efforts at conversion to Christianity.

*** If the Dimasa Hindus ( or whatever their religion is) are unable to
keep their flock together it  has a problem WITHIN. It is none of the
GROUP's business what religion individuals among them wish to subscribe to.
What gives the group rights over the individuals' choice of faith?

Do the Assamese community of Houston have the say so over KJD as to WHAT
religion KJD can subscribe to? Does KJD's family have a right to tell KJD
what religion he can embrace ? Can KJD's brother dictate to him what his
religious preferances must be limited to?


>Idukki Kerala, of the 200,000 plantation workers, 75% have converted to
>>Christianity. Estate owners threatened them with loss of job unless they
>>convert.


*** Estate Owners can intimidate anyone over anything? What is so new about
that? Zamindars enslaved untold number of Indians, some still do. It is a
criminal offense and the laws of the land ought to come to the defense of
the oppressed and the intimidated. But how does CONVERSION under such
duress hold?
Is it like an indelible branding, like cattle in a cattle ranch? Something
that could never again be erased or renounced?



*** There is only one explanation in my mind. And that is the  belief in
certain Hindu quarters that onced you bowed to a none-Hindu God, you can
never return to the fold--you lose your 'jaat'. So, if you are forced, even
under the sword, to have undergone baptism--you can never become a Hindu
again. YOu are forever lost. Under such circumstances, it would be
understandable why the Hindus are so obsessed about PREVENTING 'forced'
conversions.


But is that an intellectually acceptable stance ?











Moreover, Mother Teresa once said, "there is always the danger that we may
become only social workers and just do the work for the sake of the work."
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>spree of looting, burning, raping and killing. In Jan 1999, a delegation
>of Dimasa tribals from Assam met the Home Minister to demand a separate
>state to protect their identity. Their main concern....efforts at
>conversion to Christianity. In Idukki Kerala, of the 200,000 plantation
>workers, 75% have converted to Christianity. Estate owners threatened them
>with loss of job unless they convert. Much of the real estate in south and
>central Kerala is owned by Christians.
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