The subliminally and intellectually challenged has written a note to Santanu Roy in response to Santanu's note. If you get a moment please read it.
Since I get mixed messages, let me ask you a straight question - do you think secession of Assam is a prerequisite for Assam to make economic progress ?
I'd like a straight answer and not an essay.
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Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Santanu:I am glad you explained your messages that were obviously way too subliminal for some :-).What baffles me is the mind-set of the subliminally challenged amongst us that reform is always equated to secession. But I guess it comes from a realization that reforms are not possible--they have never seen any in their entire lives, and thus are unable to imagine any. If prodded, would point us towards amending the constitution. And when that looks daunting, will blame the victims for not learning to 'play the game' or lack of oratorical skills.And the charade goes on.At 1:48 AM -0500 10/2/04, Roy, Santanu wrote:Dilip-da:
I am not recommending anything. It is not for me or any of us to individually recommend dissolution of the Indian Union. However, I do believe that the Indian political structure is extremely centralized and that, in particular, heartland India does think of north eastern India in the same manner as the Russian empire thought of its central asian fringes, the way the Han Chinese think of the Uigurs...- as territories on the frontier to be controlled for political might populated by noble savages that are very different culturally and have to be integrated. And being a majoritarian structure, the government of India - its leaders and its mass of babus reflect these views more or less. I also know that the Indian political structure has exploited the natural resources of many regions of the country -including Assam - through its public sector machinery and provided them at rtidiculously low prices to industrialized parts of the coun! try & I know that when we have brought final !
goods from outside of Assam we have paid higher than international prices for those goods because of the lack of international trade. This is the scissor that has cut us both ways. Now, I have a question here for you - do you think my views are far from reality? If so, then we differ in our perception of reality and there is no more to it. But if you more or less agree with me, then it seems to me that some rethinking of the terms of the union, the structure of how the sovereign commands the resources on the ground, the right of the state to independently interact in economic matters with other nations, to kick out babus from Delhi that think of themselves as on a colonial assignment, to decide whether or not they want to have paramilitary and military forces deployed at their cost - are in order.
Santanu
-----Original Message----- From: Dilip/Dil ! Deka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10/2/2004 (�y) 11:38 ���O To: Roy, Santanu Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Assam] Car Rally from Guwahati Is Not for Fun Alone Santanu, Can you please stop writing subliminal messages and state clearly if you are recommending that Assam gets out of the union with India? From your last two notes it appears so. You mustn't forget that the majority in Assam do not want separation from India, however hard the separationists try. Despite the faults with Indian democracy, they are prepared to stay with it a! nd work to improve it. At least that is what I hear from my relatives and friends in assam. Dilipda "Roy, Santanu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dilip-da: No marriage can be saved by one side - particularly, the weaker side. Traditional Indian women sacrifice their life and their wants to do that. That ought not to be the case. Santanu -----Original Message----- From: Dilip/Dil Deka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10/2/2004 (妍) 3:43 ���� To: Roy, Santanu Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Assam] Car Rally from Guwahati Is Not for Fun Alone Santanu, Thank you for your kind words on my intellectual ability and professional experience. Coming from an academician, it is an honor for me. Your statement below had a (hidden) message that did not come out completely. What ship are you talking about and who is abandoning that ship? I agree with you that the whole is not always the sum of the components, it can be more or it can be less. Your note implies that the whole is less than the sum in this case. My earlier emails in this thread were not meant to spin anything, nor was there any hidden agenda. I was simply trying to point out that there is no evil design against Assam in New Delhi, in fact there have been political leaders who worked for Assam's development. Yes, there are countless other factors including parts of the Indian constit! ution that work contrary to Assam's interests. Using your analogy to marriage, should Assam work at improving the marital relations by re-establishing the conditions for a better marriage or should Assam abandon the marriage? What is your opinion? Dilipda "Roy, Santanu" wrote: &nbs! p; Dilip-da:I am astonished that someone with your intellectual ability and professional experience in large organizations should say this. It is a fundamental fact of social institutions that extremely well meaning people can, as a collectivity, function in the most disastrous manner. A system is much more than the sum of best intentions of the people it is composed of. Even a marriage of two great persons or a family of affectionate parents and children attain states of intolerable suffocation and mutual hurt - not because of the lack of best intentions - but because of the way in which their interaction has taken place over time - the role of chance events, the role of external factors - small, little things that don't amount to anything in themselves, but that together acquire a monstrosity over time - so that nothing but abandoning ship and starting on! a fresh slate appears to be the way to go. Santanu. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Dilip/Dil Deka Sent: Fri 10/1/2004 12:23 PM To: Chan Mahanta; Anjan K. Nath; ASSAMNETCOLORADO Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Assam] Car Rally from Guwahati Is Not for Fun Alone I am surprised at this talk that is delirious and single track minded. If as a person ABV meant well, Dr. Singh ! means well, and so many other leaders in Delhi mean well, then who is left who does not mean well? You will say it is the system, but the system is made up of people like these. If you don't respect others, others don't respect you- it is as simple as that. Do you think ABV had some ethnic hatred towards the Assamese people when he used the term "disloyal", if he used that term at all? There were twenty odd other states about whom he could use the term but he didn't have to. When will you start looking at the world without the bias and hatred towards other Indians? Whether Assam is independent, autonomous, or stays as a state in India, Assam will have to learn to live with India. Dilip Chan Mahanta wrote: Anjan: I know about Saikia, even though I don't know him or what he is all about. At any event that is beside the point. It is not WHAT an individual politician thinks of Assam or views the NE's angst as. I won't have any trouble believing that ABV means well. But that means NOTHING. It has nothing to do with individual Indians' view of Assam or Nagaland or Mizoram, or the Bodos or the Karbis. What DOES matter however, is what, as a nation that is known as India,has COLLECTIVELY done to our peoples, and will CONT! INUE to do. It is about positive change. It is about believing in democracy in all its many uncomfortable 'avatars', it is in believing in the need for making the institutions of democracy WORK, it is about devolution of powers to the people, it is about learning to accept dissent, it is about RESPECTING everyone, regardless of their economic status, it is about RESPECTING people and their cultures, even if they are NOT something you grew up with, it is about LETTING PEOPLEs BE as agreed to in a FEDERAL democratic state as promised, at time of independence, It is ALL about all of the above and more, that the Indian state has failed to live up to. So I find the anecdotes of individuals' goodwill towards the people of Assam or the other contiguous states, as PROOF of Indian goodness and the NE's "disloyalty" ( as ABV told Bhuban Barooah kokaideu in London) patently ridiculous. c c ----- Original Message ----- From: Chan Mahanta To: Dilip/! Dil Deka ; ASSAMNETCOLORADO Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 6:54 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] Car Rally from Guwahati Is Not for Fun Alone >It looks like Guwahati and Assam were on Vajpayee's mind even when he was >travelling abroad! and NDA govt. was serious about opening the land route to the >east through Assam. Tonight I am going to rejoice at Assam's being in the forefront of Vajp! ayee's mind, EVEN while traveling abroad. And lecture all those who complain of being in the receiving end of 'step-motherly' treatment by the Center and their 'khai-paat-folaa' attitudes. Come on Dilip :-) :-) :-) :-)! At 3:31 PM -0700 9/30/04, Dilip/Dil Deka wrote: From TOI. It looks like Guwahati and Assam were on Vajpayee's mind even when he was travelling abroad and NDA govt. was serious about opening the land route to the east through Assam. Dilip =========================================================== ASEAN for Guwahati to Indonesia car rally timesofindia.indi/49F7D071.gif ANI [ THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 30, 2004 01:48:53 PM ] GUWAHATI/ NEW DELHI: The Ministry of External Affairs (MEA), the Confederation of Indian Industry (CII) and the ASEAN Secretariat (Indonesia) are jointly organising a car rally from November 22 to December 11 to promote trade between the ten ASEAN nations. The car rally is being held to demonstrate that there exists a land route between the member countries to enable free flow of trade. This would be first car rally of its kind. Titled "Chalo ASEAN", the car rally would be flagged from Guwahati and pass through Myanmar, Thailand, Laos PDR, Vietnam, Cambodia, Malaysia, and Singapore, before concluding in Indonesia. The beginning of the rally from Guwahati would be actually a culmination of mini car rallies from across the north-eastern states to be flagged off by the chief ministers of the 'seven sisters'. The ral! ly would also fulfil former prime minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee's wish for such an event to take place to foster regional unity. On October 8 last year, Vajpayee, while attending ASEAN Summit in Bali had said, "To draw dramatic attention to our geographical proximity we could consider the idea of an India-ASEAN Car Rally. A possible routing could be from Guwahati in North-east India, through Myanmar, Thailand and Cambodia to Hanoi in Vietnam." "Such a rally would draw in commercial interest in infrastructure along the route. It can promote tourism and development. There could be a long term impact on the economic co-operation in the region," Vajpayee had said. Giving details of the rally in New Delhi, Resident Commissioner at the Assam Bhawan, Rajiv Yadav, said, "One of the purposes of the car rally is to let the public know that there exists a land route between the ASEAN nations. Till now it was a hidden fact from the general p! ublic's knowledge." _______________________________________________ Assam mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam ! 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