> Correct me if I am wrong, Barua, but basically I felt > the question was looking for some introspection from > the NE.
Dear Ram: My question, as I have explained, was basically just a question to analyse the reasons behind something good which I saw happening in India. That a Medical College in India is opening branches outside India is a good news to me. It shows that in spite of all the bad news some people are doing something good. And we need to recognise that. My intention of putting that question was not to challenge Assam "Why Assam cannot do it if the South can do it." or ita was was "a contrived one designed to lead to a desired answer." No that was not the case. We must look at things objectively. If we try to read too much motives behind a questioner, we cannot procedd in a democratic and scientific manner. For the prsent state of affairs, there are many historical and cultural factors behind these. We need to analyse and discuss these. But as you have rightly stated, the question is important because it make us ask several questions. Why the NE is not doing well as the South may be a corolary question and need to be analysied not in a challenging manner but rather objectively. But my question was basically not meant for that. If at all, my question was to show that GOOD things are happening in India whcih was questioned by Chandan in an earlier e-mail where he stated that : > But it helps to see when the GOOD is DOING well, is succeeding, > making a difference. If the good are only good at FAILING, do you > think it will be copied? I thought my question will help people to see that there are cases where GOOD is DOING well in India and Assam should rather try to copy these instead of copying Shiv Sena with formation of Oxom Xena (I think 'litikai' Assam is still writing 'Sena' to satisfy mainland India). Today I have seen AASU is trying to control moral issues in Assam TV. Is it something they are trying to copy from Shiv Sena or Islamic Fundamentalist? I don't know. But my pray is : God save Assam!!! RB/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "ram Sarangapani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Chan Mahanta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Barua25" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[email protected]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] Educational Institutions in India > Dear C'da, > > I think there has been too much reading into the > question that Barua asked and basically missing the > forest for the trees, > >Why the South seems to be better disciplined in > >educational institutions in India specially in > >Medicine? > > Correct me if I am wrong, Barua, but basically I felt > the question was looking for some introspection from > the NE. The premise being that the South which has had > similar problems of OVERCOMING the influence of the > Hindi-wallas (like the NE) has made more progress and > the NE states have not. > > > Better disciplined than what? Assam, Bihar, Delhi, > > Bengal, Andamans > > You forgot to add universities in Brazil & Portugal? > -:) > > Obviously, the question was meant toward the NE states > as this net's primary focus is the NE (and Assam in > particular). Bihar & Delhi don't count (they are the > Hindi belt). I am not even sure if there is a > university in the Andamans. > Bengal, we can take into consideration. But it has > been unique in the sense that it was and has been the > gateway to the NE. The English realized it and so did > their successors. > > Again, this is NOT a competition between the South & > the NE (or even the other med schools). So, singling > out Manipal is not what we should be looking for. > Manipal is just an example, and it is just that. > > So, let me try and ask you a question here: > > What are the reasons the NE states are lagging in > development /growth behind other states like > Maharastra, TN, AP, Karnataka, Kerala? In answering > this question, if you can only confine you answer to > the responsibilities the State Govt. (say Assam), the > people, the student unions and the insurgent groups > have it will be great. > > I have not listed a state like Bihar (which I think > lags behind every state). Now, you may ask why do we > need to compare? I think it is good to so. That way we > will atleast know, how partial the Center has been to > a state like Karnataka. What special favors did > Karnataka get that Assam has not? Was that a reason > for Karnatak's progress? > > Hopefully, I have crossed all the ts and dotted the > Is. > If not, I will try and do a better job if the question > is overly broad (or immature)-:). > > -- Ram > > > --- Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Rajen, Ram and Rajib: > > > > > > Here is my response to Rajen's leading question: > > > > > > >Question: Why the South seems to be better > > disciplined in educational > > >institutions in India specially in >Medicine? > > > > > > *** The premise of the question is patently untrue. > > > > Better disciplined than what? Assam, Bihar, Delhi, > > Bengal, Andamans? > > > > > > There were fine medical colleges in India going back > > a century. The > > premier ones were in Kolkata and Mumbai. Later came > > AIIMS, Chandigarh > > Medical College etc. They are not the South. Of > > course there were > > good schools in the South too. I don't remember the > > name, but one is > > from Andhra. > > > > These have been there far far longer than Manipal. > > > > > > And let us look at OTHER educational institutions: > > > > Calcutta University, Presidency College, Jadavpur > > U., BE College, > > Delhi U, MS U in Baroda, Aligarth Muslim U, Benares > > Hindu U -- and > > dozens of others like that have produced some of > > India's best from > > over a century ago. Add to that the IITs, Roorkee U, > > BIT and others > > that appeared fifty or more years ago, none of them > > were from the > > South. > > > > Don't they count? > > > > > > So is it a question of the South and its discipline > > at the root of > > the successes of these institutions? Is there a > > natural link here? > > > > The question is a contrived one designed to lead to > > a desired answer. > > It was absolutely NOT a question to attempt to gage > > the conditions > > of education in India. > > > > If it was then the wrong question was asked under > > the wrong premise. > > > > > > > > >Sometime it looks like South India is more > > Mainlanland India. > > > > > > ** What on earth is this supposed to mean? Is there > > such a thing as a,'mainland > > India' and there are those that are 'pabot-goza' > > India, not quite > > like the 'mainland' India? > > > > The whole notion of India at the time of > > independence was one of > > pluralism. Which by definition accepts diversity of > > its many > > constituents without hegemony of one over the other. > > > > The fact that it has NOT turned out that way is a > > failure of the > > Indian experiment. But that is a different matter. > > > > > > Is this question implying that the South alone has > > been able to forge > > the dream of Indian nationhood, unlike the rest? If > > so, what is the > > evidence to support such a premise? That the Owners > > of Manipal > > Institute, who are from the South opening branches > > in Nepal and > > Thailand? > > > > > > Is this a serious question deserving a serious > > reply? > > > > > > > > >Why they donot revolt against the domination of the > > Hindi-wallas? > > > > > > What does this question have to do with the premise > > of the question : > > > > >Why the South seems to be better disciplined in > > educational > > >institutions in India specially in >Medicine? > > > > > > Is it a natural corollary to it? Or is it a > > convoluted and contrived attempt > > to somehow connect it to the NE's disgruntlement, > > which Rajib > > dutifully complied with and gave his verdict with > > rahs from Ram and > > the ever so gentle applauds from Bhuban Kokaideu > > :-)? > > > > > > >The South seem to be progressing completely > > ignoring or in spite of > > >the Hindi belt North India. Or is >the South > > gradually taking over > > >the North? > > > > > > > > If Rajen had the courage of his convictions, he > > would have asked a > > straight forward question. Something like: > > > > > > *** Assam complains too much about domination by > > the Hindi belt > > politics. But I don't believe it is so. Just look > > at the South. > > They are doing well in spite of the same conditions > > that they face > > from the Hindi belt. > > > > That would have been an intellectually honest > > proposition, even > > though it would be a faulty one. But At least we > > could have debated > > that with integrity instead of in the sly. > > > > > > > > > > c > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 2:40 PM -0600 12/29/04, Barua25 wrote: > > >Blue Thoughts: > > > > > >It seems some Indian educational institutions are > > doing great. Take > > >for instance the welknown : Manipal Medical > > College. I came to know > > >that they have now opened brnaches even in Nepal > > and Thailand and > > >are attarcting lot of international students. > > > > > >Question: Why the South seems to be better > > disciplined in > > >educational institutions in India specially in > > Medicine? What is the > > >secret? Sometime it looks like South India is more > > Mainlanland > > >India. Why they donot revolt against the domination > > of the > > >Hindi-wallas? Why they donot hate India like the > > North East? The > > >South seem to be progressing completely ignoring or > > in spite of the > > >Hindi belt North India. Or is the South gradually > > taking over the > > >North? > > > > > >RB > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? > http://my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ Assam mailing list [email protected] http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
