C'da
You leave me confused here. If it is 'distorted logic' ( sounds like an oxymoron to me to begin with), and you are agreeing that two wrongs don't make a right, then what are we arguing about :-)?
You are not confused. When I said I agree with "two wrongs.. don't make a right" it was in a general sense.
But you tried to spin ULFA's one-sided indignation by USING the above. I contend it doesn't make sense here, and is certainly a distorted logic.
As I pointed out, basically ULFA is cherry picking here. When it suits them, then of course 'children' need HR protection etc. But, when it doesn't (like in Dhemaji, when they were the perpetrators, HR and bsic human dignities flew out of the window.
>**** I have heard all kinds of spin, but this really is an extreme case, where imprisoning of children >of political prisoners could be held as justifiable, because they are children of 'thugs'.
It was no spin. Children whether they belong to ULFA or others should always be protected and ought to off limits for ULFA or the GOI or anyone else to take their revenge on.
Even children of thugs ought to get special treatment. I have NO problem with the children themselves. It is ULFA's attitude that concerns people: They are Choosey to say the least when it comes to HR.
They have basically stated by their bombings in Dhemaji and the attempt last week to kill school children that HR only involves their OWN children, but damn the other children - kill them!
If were to read what I wrote.,you would surely know, that the my tirades are not against the children of ULFA (in fact I even said ttheir treatment could be considered as a crime)
--Ram
On 8/17/05, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Ram:
> **** Two gross wrongs don't make a right, or does it?
>As Rajib says, this is distorted logic.
Two wrongs don't make it right - absolutely.
You leave me confused here. If it is 'distorted logic' ( sounds like an oxymoron to me to begin with), and you are agreeing that two wrongs don't make a right, then what are we arguing about :-)?
>But here you have one case of the Ulfa children being deprived basic
diet for growth and developement. This can be termed as gross>negligence/apathy or even a crime.
*** I knew I could count on your humanity here, Ram. In fact I will go a step further and ask if it is not a crime against humanity to imprison children of even the most heinous of criminals, let alone POLITICAL prisoners, like the ULFA cadres? What civilized society do we know of, where children of political prisoners are jailed and to add insult to injury, are mistreated?
Tell me Ram what you think of this? Should these children NOT be handed over to relatives? What kind of government, what kind of society, would hold them behind bars? What is their crime?
>On the other hand, what Ulfa did to the Dhemaji children cannot bebrushed as "a wrong". It was just pure wonton killing of innocent>children.
**** I would mince no words and agree with you and anybody else, that it was a criminal act. BTW, 'a wrong' is not a spin word, it is not an attempt to brush it aside, like attempting to justify imprisonment of children of political prisoners, on account of crimes of somebody else belonging to the same political party.
Is this the kind of democratic governance thinking people ought to look up to, identify with, pay homage and pledge allegiance to?
>C'da, whatever their garb, thugs will always remain thugs. Just
because the 'diet case' involve children belonging to the ULFA, they>have suddenly become conscious of human rights.
**** I have heard all kinds of spin, but this really is an extreme case, where imprisoning of children of political prisoners could be held as justifiable, because they are children of 'thugs'.
It speaks volumes about the civilization of the good folks.
At 11:43 AM -0500 8/16/05, Ram Sarangapani wrote:C'da,> **** Two gross wrongs don't make a right, or does it?
>As Rajib says, this is distorted logic.
Two wrongs don't make it right - absolutely.
But here you have one case of the Ulfa children being deprived basic
diet for growth and developement. This can be termed as grossnegligence/apathy or even a crime.On the other hand, what Ulfa did to the Dhemaji children cannot bebrushed as "a wrong". It was just pure wonton killing of innocentchildren.
>> Finally the outfit appealed to all the masses of Asom, conscious
> >> citizens, Human rights organizations, particularly to international
> >> organizations to take firm steps against such crimes against these
> >> children. (from their Newsletter)
Right!. What a bunch of crock. We didn't hear the ULFA appealing to
Intl. Orgs. about the Dhemaji blasts nor did they appeal to the
conscious citizens.
C'da, whatever their garb, thugs will always remain thugs. Just
because the 'diet case' involve children belonging to the ULFA, theyhave suddenly become conscious of human rights. What happened to the
HR of so many inncoents killed and the children of Dhemaji. Who
appeals for their rights? Its definitely not the ULFA.
On 8/16/05, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >But what about the Children of Demaji? Those that survived and those
> >that were lost.
> >The Ulfa children may be deprived of min. diet for all-round
> >development. Those children of Dhemaji never even had that chance.
>
>
>
> **** Two gross wrongs don't make a right, or does it?
>
>
> Besides, if the 'peace-loving', 'civilized',
> 'democratic' and 'intelligent' people and their
> elected government act like the 'uncivilized',
> 'brainless'and 'undemocratic' insurgents that> blew up the Dhemaji School children, where does
> it place the former?
>
>
> > >--- a lot of this amounts to one-sided indignations on the part of ULFA.
>
>
> *** I am sure there are many who think like that
> and respond accordingly. And in that, the
> bemoaning or the 'righteous' against the
> insurgents' strong-arm tactics ring rather hollow.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> At 10:12 AM -0500 8/16/05, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
> > > These children who were captured during the Indo-Bhutan joint
> >> military operation against ULFA in December 2003 have been deprived
> >> of minimum diet required for all around development of a child.
> >> "Children devour anything when they are hungry.
> >
> >This is indeed sad that children be caught in this strugle.
> >
> >But what about the Children of Demaji? Those that survived and those
> >that were lost.
> >The Ulfa children may be deprived of min. diet for all-round
> >development. Those children of Dhemaji never even had that chance.
> >
> >Here a item from the Telegraph today. What kind of answer does the
> >Ulfa have for the Saikias, who lost 2 of their young daughters & the
> >Paduns who lost sons.?
> >
> >Methinks, a lot of this amounts to one-sided indignations on the part of ULFA.
> >
> >*****************
> >Issue Date: Monday, August 15, 2005
> >Fear looms over freedom celebration
> >- A year after blast killed 13 during parade, doubts remain over
> >security arrangements
> >RIPUNJOY DAS
> >Dhemaji, Aug. 14: Fear has clouded freedom in Dhemaji.
> >
> >"What if..?" This is the question on everyone's lips a year after an
> >Ulfa-triggered blast during the Independence Day parade in this Upper> >Assam town left 13, including 10 schoolchildren, dead.> >Pronob Kardung is in a dilemma, too. "I will if my father permitsS," he says.
> >
> >Rupinath Narah, a student of Class IX at Arunudoi High School, wants
> >to attend the Independence Day function at the Court Field tomorrow,
> >but his father is clearly hesitant about allowing his son to do so.
> >
> >At the residence of the Saikias in Ratanpur, 2 km from the town, the
> >mere mention of Independence Day revives memories of the tragedy that
> >befell the family last year. "We lost both our daughters and I do not
> >want to lose my sons. Who will guarantee that the same thing will not
> >happen this time?" asks Lalita Saikia, who lost her daughters Rupa
> >(14) and Aruna (10) in the blast at the Dhemaji College playground.
> >
> >In a corner of the two-bigha plot where the four surviving members of
> >the Saikia family live is a memorial to the two girls. The family
> >makes sure that earthen lamps and incense sticks are lit there every
> >evening.
> >
> >"Our daughters are still very much with us and will remain so
> >forever," Lalita says, tears streaming down her cheeks.
> >
> >The nightmare continues not only for the Saikias, but every resident
> >of this otherwise peaceful town. The administration is pulling out all
> >stops to ensure that there is no untoward incident this time, but not
> >many are keen to a participate in the Independence Day function.
> >
> >Students of Arunudoi High School, who lost two schoolmates - Juganta
> >Padun and Dinesh Padun - in the blast last year, look confused on
> >being asked whether they want to be part of the celebrations. "Moi
> >jam, jodi deutai diye (I will go, but only if my father allows me to
> >do so)," says Rupinath, a classmate of Juganta.
> >
> >
> >The Kachari Ground, which was the venue for Independence Day and
> >Republic Day functions until waterlogging prompted the administration
> >to choose another place, has been relaid for this year's function.
> >
> >"We have re-laid the field and we hope that the people will turn up in
> >good numbers. We are doing everything possible," said D.K. Baruah,
> >deputy commissioner of Dhemaji, while monitoring the finishing touches
> >given to the preparations.
> >
> >Sentry posts have been built and register is maintained of each and
> >every individual who enters the ground. Even the deputy commissioner
> >is not spared and during the nights the entire ground is lit up with> >floodlights all around and backup generator sets.
> >
> >Police, too, had been very much active for the past few weeks.
> >
> >"We have been guarding this venue for almost six months now and around
> >20 policemen had been deployed for the purpose. We are very much on
> >the offensive," said superintendent of police, Mridulananda Sarmah.
> >
> >However, some in the society feel that the police arrangement would
> >only terrorise people more.
> >
> >"Although the administration has its own way of working, this kind of
> >an arrangement will only drive them away. The police should act in
> >such a way that the common people are not harassed in the name of
> >security," said Saishav Dutta, a social worker.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >********
> >
> >
> >
> >On 8/16/05, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> Jailed children living in most inhospitable condition: ULFA
> >>
> >> NET News Network
> >>
> >> Guwahati, Aug 15: The banned United Liberation Front of Asom (ULFA)
> >> today alleged that minimum diet required for all around development
> >> of a child has not been supplied by the Indian government to the
> >> jailed ULFA's children.
> >>
> >> In the latest edition of its mouthpiece " Freedom" the outfit
> >> informed that " During the last 2 years 28 children of ULFA aged
> >> between 2- 10 have been kept behind bars in different jails of Asom
> >> and have been compelled to cope with the most inhospitable condition
> >> within the high walls the jail which is totally unsuitable for all
> >> round development of their mental and physical health".
> >>
> >> These children who were captured during the Indo-Bhutan joint> >> military operation against ULFA in December 2003 have been deprived
> >> of minimum diet required for all around development of a child.
> >> "Children devour anything when they are hungry. So like other
> >> prisoners, despite knowing the deficiency in nutrition of the diet,
> >> they have to eat what they are given," outfit alleged.
> >>
> >> Finally the outfit appealed to all the masses of Asom, conscious
> >> citizens, Human rights organizations, particularly to international
> >> organizations to take firm steps against such crimes against these
> >> children.
> >> Meanwhile, the outfit also condemned the tragic circumstances under
> >> which 12 years old girl Rukmini Kalindi belonging to the tea tribe
> >> community from Safrai Ganjupara village under Saraideo sub-division
> >> of Sivasagar district in Assam committed suicide after being raped.
> >> "The victim committed suicide unable to bear the psychological and
> >> mental pressure during serial interrogation for long three days in
> >> Asom Police custody," alleged the mouthpiece.
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