At 11:09 AM -0400 3/15/09, Chris Franklin wrote:
>The rfcs do not talk about proxies, only gateways. And they are too
>different things. That can and usually do coexist with in the same
>box/hardware.

I think you are missing what a proxy is. A gateway is a proxy; a 
relay is a proxy; a proxy server sits between a client application, 
and a real server. A proxy intercepts all requests to the real server 
to see if it can fulfill or filter the requests itself. If not, it 
forwards the request to the real server.

The definition which I like because it is most clear is, "In computer 
networks, a proxy server is a server (a computer system or an 
application program) that acts as a go-between for requests from 
clients seeking resources from other servers"

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxy_server , 
http://www.answers.com/topic/proxy-server and 
http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/0,,sid9_gci212840,00.html

Clearly ASSP is not a Transparent proxy in the strict meaning of the 
term and maintaining just the sender's "helo" while filtering 
tagging, etc. just seems incorrect.

So given the above definitions a proxy meets the criteria of a relay 
in RFC 2821 and its action should follow D.3.

But most important, and here is a valid argument for "transparency", 
is that in a MUA, the email sitting in the inbox is would not appear 
compliant with RFC 2821 and its apparent chain of custody would 
appear spoofed using a helo/ehlo salutation that does not match the 
IP of the ASSP.

In response to JR's worry about multiple hosts within a domain and 
the MTU's responses, I really don't see the issue, but that is for 
another email if asked.

Bottom line, shouldn't the mail headers on the email sitting in your 
inbox reflect the chain of custody described in RFC 2821?

Nevertheless, I bow to the desires of the community, I just wanted to 
explain my position clearly.

Tom





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