RE: [asterisk-biz] VoicePulse's New Tiered Pricing is a Huge Success!

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Todd had a true and valid point.  Plainvoip has a LCR MACRO app like voicepulse.  I was going to make one utilizing both companies LCR API’s but I figured voicepulse might try to sue me or something so I didn’t bother.  But nevertheless most providers and do NPANXX breakout pricing but there are 2 problems I see..  First is that there are 145,000 codes approx just the US48.  This doesn’t include Canada or outlying US territories or states.  Secondly like Todd has mentioned in his email yes..  You could have costs up to 6c or so for some areas.   If the client does a lot of calling to RBOC’s then he/she would actually benefit from this but if the general person calls all over the country into NON-RBOC locations they could end up seeing their costs sky rocket.  I know from experience my parents live in a non-rboc and it costs upward of 4c to terminate a call to them cause of the tariffs set forth by the LEC.      Thanks for the insight Todd. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of VoIP Street - Todd Routhier Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 9:35 AM To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] VoicePulse's New Tiered Pricing is a Huge Success!   I see both sides of this but.. I think the point others were trying to make is this.. It's all fine and good to send only traffic that's expensive to terminate to a blended rate carrier until the blended rate carrier starts losing money. Once all the blended rate providers quit offering the blended rates because of this then you will start seeing things like .06/minute to certain areas like Maine where it actually cost this much to terminate traffic. The reason it's rare to see a rate like that is not because it's cheap to terminate everywhere, it's because companies offer reasonable rates to these areas and actually lose money on the calls. How can they do this? They can lose money on these calls because they make a profit when terminating to the less expensive areas. If you only send a blended rate providers the expensive calls, they will only lose money forcing them to offer tiered services only which is a hassle to most of the smaller players. When purchasing a flat rate TDM circuits, the carrier is going to hold you to an 80/20 RBOB/Non RBOC clause. This clause was mentioned earlier in this thread but I thought I would explain it for those that are not familiar with the term. Before I can explain this you have to know what an RBOC and a NON RBOC is.. RBOC = Regional Bell Operating Carrier Non RBOC = A small telco in a one horse town that can and will rake anyone and everyone including other phone companies over the coals when they try to terminate a call to their one horse town. So then, an 80/20 rule means that the calls you send to your carrier must be to RBOC locations at least 80% of the time. This is to protect them from offering a low blended rate where they expect average and customary blended usage and getting hurt financially by having a customer only send them the traffic they lose money on. Nothing wrong with VoicePulse offering the LCR macro but there is also nothing wrong with others learning the possible pitfalls of using it in conjunction with a blended rate carrier TDM or otherwise. I am not taking sides here, just thought a clear explanation would help.. Regards, Todd Routhier VoIP Street http://www.VoIPstreet.com Paul wrote: trixter aka Bret McDanel wrote:   On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 03:35 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:      The point I am making is that if you are doing LCR and 'cherrypicking', the blended-rate provider is getting screwed.          yeah, in a different post he just wanted to know what the program was.   If you think about how competitive business can be though its not a badthing to set up a situation where your competition has to raise rates orgo under and when you make money its not just that your competition isntfor that good/service but that it makes it harder for your competitionto survive in their chosen business model. I have to give kudos to them for that.  Its rare when a company can putthemselves into a position where they can not just take business away    >from their competition but also cause harm to their competition at the  same exact time.   If anyone feels this is not appropriate, to them I say this isasterisk-biz not asterisk-communist-hippie and if its legal you shouldntreally knock someone for creating a business model that conflicts withsomeone elses chosen business model.       The program is designed to save the customer money. Maybe that harmscompetitors who won't give me those savings? Too bad. _______________________________________________--Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-biz mailing listTo UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit:   http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz

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