You can't sue me if I have stated the truth, and opinion is not subject to either slander of libel. I think the "amazon" review style works. It's just an opinion and the reader can take it or leave it. ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Rubenstein<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: W. Glenn Campbell<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Asterisk -Biz<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Better ITSP Bureau
There's a world of distance between "100% trustworthy", and the kind of dangerously misleading info such a casual approach to public reviews can be. And considering the personalities in this community which that directory would serve, I would be surprised if someone unsatisfied with their public reviews wouldn't seek reprisal against the publisher of the reviews site, as well as the (less identified/reachable) reviewers themselves. Like suing the publisher, or otherwise trashing them. I wouldn't want the responsibility. Not at this stage of immaturity of this community, inadequacy of usable trust networks, and either traditions or laws protecting people from charges of slander/libel in this kind of publication. On Fri, 2007-07-13 at 12:10 -0400, W. Glenn Campbell wrote: > I had added this to a "hobby" site of mine a while back ( > http://www.itspratings.com<http://www.itspratings.com/> ), but never really did anything with it. May be > time to revive it? I agree that reviews/ratings aren't 100% trustworthy, > but it's a pretty good starting point for those shopping around. Do you > really believe all the reviews on Amazon.com ;) > > As I said, the list is pretty bare, but you are more than welcome to add to > it. Shoot me an email if you want an provider added to the list. Leave a > review on the site if you like. > > > > > > W. Glenn Campbell > [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > NetStar Solutions, LLC. > http://www.netstarsolutions.com<http://www.netstarsolutions.com/> > Phone: (270) 554-6700 > Fax: (502) 415-7112 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew > Rubenstein > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 10:54 AM > To: Charles Vance > Cc: Asterisk -Biz > Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Better ITSP Bureau > > Actually, Wikipedia works pretty well, because its access is so open > to > so many people, and there is indeed a relatively trustworthy publisher > which implements fairly content-neutral policies to prevent most common > abuses. Smaller communities with the same model produce a much less > accurate description of their subject, like the Conservopedia. > > But this directory will suffer from all the worst flaws of those > models. While representing itself as a tool in the critical path of the > most fundamental voice network business decisions. Sounds like a > trainwreck right in the station. > > > On Fri, 2007-07-13 at 10:46 -0400, Charles Vance wrote: > > tut tut. The community is trustworthy. Afterall, Wickopedia works > > doesn't it? > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Matthew Rubenstein > > To: Al Bochter > > Cc: Asterisk -Biz > > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 10:29 AM > > Subject: [asterisk-biz] Better ITSP Bureau (was: Re: Fed up > > with my ITSP) > > > > > > I can't wait to see this list's typical professionalism, > > dispassionate > > critiques, sense of proportion, fair play among competitors > > and aversion > > to mere gossip and personal attacks be published in a central > > database > > that the general public will use to do business with so many > > companies > > large and small. > > > > I can't wait, because it doesn't exist. > > > > Unless this directory has some kind of trust network, or other > > accountability (there is none other on the Internet), then it > > will be > > routinely abused to game it. It will be at best a waste of > > time, and at > > worst libel/slander > > > > > > On Fri, 2007-07-13 at 10:10 -0400, Al Bochter wrote: > > > To everyone on the list > > > > > > Please email me off the list any BAD ITSP, Voip Providers, > > And other > > > Voip things you had problems with. > > > Make SURE you provide details of what that problem you had. > > > > > > Let me know about the good ones too. > > > > > > I am going to start a list and post the details about the > > providers. > > > We need to give the good ones more business and bad ones > > less > > > VOIP is getting a bad name do to all this bull**** and we > > need to stop > > > it. > > > > > > I don't have a site name in mind but I will have this done > > A.S.A.P. > > > and I will post the URL to the list. > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Al Bochter > > > http://www.BochterServices.com<http://www.bochterservices.com/> > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > See what we are selling at auction > > > http://www.epier.com/auctions.asp?bochterservices<http://www.epier.com/auctions.asp?bochterservices> > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Take a look at our online store > > > http://www.bochterservices.com/onlinestore/<http://www.bochterservices.com/onlinestore/> > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > Elliot Otchet wrote: > > > > Here Here! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > > Of Dovid > > > > Bender > > > > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 9:16 AM > > > > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > > > Subject: [asterisk-biz] Fed up with my ITSP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi List, > > > > > > > > > > > > I am fed up with one of the ITSP's. That I used to use (I > > don't use > > > > them any more but still have a few DID's by them). Back in > > the day > > > > they were good but now they seem to be down every so > > often. When you > > > > call tech support they say to please wait on hold and 2-3 > > minutes > > > > later you hear a good bye and the phone call ends. Is > > there any site > > > > to rate ITSP's ? I think people should know for the future > > who is > > > > good and who is not. If there is no site I am willing to > > host it if > > > > some one wants to write the code. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dovid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by > > http://www.api-digital.com<http://www.api-digital.com/>-- > > > > > > > > asterisk-biz mailing list > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > > > > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz<http://lists.digiumcom/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz> > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------- > > > > Inbound (clean). 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