Some people mistakenly think that the fatter company with the higher prices will do a better job.
If I were the buyer, I would prefer to deal with a company that can keep me up and running. I would want a vendor who is flexible enough to config and loan me whatever type IP phone he has available so I can keep going. The big companies think that overnight shipping eliminates the need for local dealers with service departments. I would rather deal with someone who can replace things like a CPU or power supply immediately without voiding some big name manufacturer warranty. Craig Lawrence wrote: > Remember that other company that bought Sipura and released a great > lil unit called the SPA9000. I get regular calls from customers who’ve > bought that lil unit and now use it as a door stopper. > > > So if they can’t get that system right what makes you think M$ can do > a better job? > > **Craig** > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *bob murphy > *Sent:* Friday, 12 October 2007 3:45 AM > *To:* Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion > *Subject:* Re: [asterisk-biz] Check this out :( > > And let's not forget the Cisco UC500. I attended an orientation and > while it is nice to look at, there's no multi site interoperability > (yeah why destroy call manager and unified messenger revenue), limited > extension support (32) and you can only use Cisco IP phones. So at 750 > to 900 per extension installed, it's no threat to those of us pursuing > 50 to 300 seat enterprises. Up in that space, it's the usual suspects > (Cisco0, Nortel, Shoretel et al) at $1, 000.00 to $1,400.00 per phone > installed. Oh and no call center at those prices. We should all get > together and attempt to standardize some pricing models so we all > continue to enjoy healthy profitability. Technology comes and goes. > Integration and implementation expertise is always valuable. Just wait > until it's VOKS! Voice Over Kitchen Sink. Then, my Friends, we will > need to worry. > > Bob Murphy > > On 10/11/07, *shadowym* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > > I get a kick out of people talking about this product like they have been > using it for years. There aren't even any detailed spec's out and nobody > really knows the price. It's just Marketecture at this point. The pricing > they have talked about doesn't include the external PSTN gateway for one > thing and no talk of optional features which they will of course > charge more > for. > > And do you really think this thing will "just work" right out of the box > first revision? Since when has ANYTHING "just worked" from M$ right out of > the gate or even 2 or 3 revisions later. And we are not talking about > some > consumer toy here. It's a business PBX so the bar is MUCH higher and the > customer MUCH more discerning. > > Actually, I seem to recall the same sorts of discussions when Linksys was > coming out with their SPA9000 and now here we are and nothing has really > changed. It doesn't work as well as people thought it would. It is more > expensive than people thought it would be once you put together all the > pieces and add all the options. This is Linksys/Cisco which has a lot > more > telecom experience and focus than M$. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alex Balashov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] > Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 2:48 PM > To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion > Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Check this out :( > > > Yeah, but it has brand identity and well-defined, ubiquitous purpose and > performance characteristics. Of course, as you rightly observe, that can > have nothing to do with intrinsic merit or the monetisation aspect of > market acceptance (as opposed to the "hype" aspect). > > I would wager there is going to be a lot of noise about Microsoft > telephony systems in the foreseeable future, due to its ability to > engineer it. But it seems to me like a very inflexible small-office > PBX; the moment any kind of sophistication or polymorphism is required, > it's time to look elsewhere for something customisable, open-source and > multifarious. > > And VoIP is kind of like that - look at all the things we are doing with > it every day that extend far, far outside the domain of traditional PBX > expectations. Customised IVR systems, data acquisition interfaces, some > degree of carrier network element functionality and switching, > translation, routing, peering... a lot of the ingenuity of what is, in the > end, a business-oriented Asterisk PBX system depends on the ability to > flexibly integrate this type of functionality. > > -- Alex > > On Thu, 11 Oct 2007, shadowym wrote: > >> The Xbox is just a PC running gaming software for the consumer market. > They >> have remained committed to it for years and lost a lot of money in the >> process. Despite what "impression" you may have by all the advertising > and >> hype, they continue to be spanked by Nintendo which sells 2 or 3 > boxes for >> every one Xbox. Or maybe it's the Sony or maybe both. Can't remember > which >> but Google will tell you. >> >> The only reason people seem to want it is for online Halo so it's a one >> trick pony. They just lost a billion dollars on that massive recall for >> consoles going dead as well. >> >> From: Aleks Clark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] >> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 10:49 AM >> To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion >> Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Check this out :( >> >> I dunno about the core competency...seems the Xbox is doing ok :D >> On 10/11/07, Alex Balashov <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > > wrote: >> >> Indeed. We should all so be so lucky as to have an R&D budget 1/128th of >> that size. I've got lots of stuff I'd like to throw at the wall. I'm >> sure you do too. >> >> On Thu, 11 Oct 2007, shadowym wrote: >> >>> I agree, >>> >>> M$ is a blaster company. They blast the wall with all sorts of stuff to >> see >>> what sticks and if nothing much happens after a year or two they > move on. >>> The farther away they are from their core competency the less likey they >>> will remain committed to making a good product and sticking with it. An >> IP >>> PBX is a LONG ways from their core compentency. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Alex Balashov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 11:28 PM >>> To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion >>> Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Check this out :( >>> >>> >>> I am not particularly beset with the impression that the VoIP business >>> community has anything to fear from this product or the particular >>> vendor's attempt to enter the space. >>> >>> On Mon, 10 Sep 2007, Derrick Moennick wrote: >>> >>>> Looks like just another strong player entering into the IP telephony >>>> world to make sure the world goes this route. >>>> >>>> Derrick >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> [mailto: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] On Behalf Of Michael S. >>>> White >>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 6:57 PM >>>> To: 'Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion' >>>> Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Check this out :( >>>> >>>> I noticed this a while back - My thoughts were. >>>> >>>> Hmmm. I'm sure it will only require 3-4 reboots a day! >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> http://www.8774e4voip.com <http://www.8774e4voip.com/> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Saysan Wrote- >>>> http://www.microsoft.com/responsepoint/default.mspx >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Alex Balashov >>> Evariste Systems >>> Web : http://www.evaristesys.com/ >>> Tel : +1-678-954-0670 >>> Direct : +1-678-954-0671 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- > <http://www.api-digital.com--> >>> >>> asterisk-biz mailing list >>> To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: >>> http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz > <http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz> >>> >> >> -- >> Alex Balashov >> Evariste Systems >> Web : http://www.evaristesys.com/ >> Tel : +1-678-954-0670 >> Direct : +1-678-954-0671 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- >> >> asterisk-biz mailing list >> To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: >> http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz >> >> >> >> -- >> Aleks Clark >> 941-961-9713 >> http://built-it.net >> > > -- > Alex Balashov > Evariste Systems > Web : http://www.evaristesys.com/ > Tel : +1-678-954-0670 > Direct : +1-678-954-0671 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- > <http://www.api-digital.com--> > > asterisk-biz mailing list > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz > > > > > -- > Bob Murphy > Principal > > > Arreva Communications > www.arrevausa.com <http://www.arrevausa.com> > > 949-334-2022-SIP Connect > 949-842-8450-Wireless > 949-349-0209-Fax > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >--Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- > >asterisk-biz mailing list >To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz > _______________________________________________ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
