Correction, bibliography = biography On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 3:34 PM, Steve Totaro < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> See comments inline. > > On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 12:42 PM, Jim Houser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Sorry, kinda long but please read... >> >> I'm looking for some help or correction if I'm overlooking something. >> Let me preface this with I would be "the old guy on the block". I was >> installing channel banks from Rockwell when they were the size of a fridge >> for only 48 circuits. Pre-Newbridge days when you had BIG cards for each >> circuit with dip switches not software. :-) >> > > Why the bibliography? I understand that you have been doing telephony for > a long time. So have I, but just not as long as you, same understanding > though. > > >> >> I've dealt with most big name PBXs, Centrex, etc through the years. I >> have a good data networking background and have a good grasp of common >> programming languages. I have evolved with the industry, now I'm into VoIP >> and loving every minute of it. I have been using Asterisk around 3 years. >> Started with compiling my own and [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > Most "Old School Telephony Guys" Hate VoIP. That may not be the case with > you, but most people don't like change in general. > > Just for future reference, you don't really compile [EMAIL PROTECTED], it is > just an image that you install. > > >> >> Here's my issue I hope to get feedback and help with; >> >> I have used many a SIP phone and by way of tweaking * and the phone's >> local dial plan I have been able to absolutely emulate the behavior and >> speed of dial out with any TDM system and their priority digital phones. >> Sound quality has also been matched if not better on the VoIP deployment >> verses the TDM deployment. >> >> However, this is NOT the case with analog phones. I have used analog FXS >> adapters from Linksys, Grandstream, Audiocodes and both Digium's analog >> cards in their TDM400 and the IAXy. > > > Give Quintum a try, they are excellent. I have heard good things about > Rhino and Xorcom. Do you know they stopped using 25 pair lines for > stations, that could be part of the problem ;-P > > >> >> >> My issues have been proper passing of CID, support for hook flash in >> small caller id call waiting dependent systems, (home offices and churches), >> not to mention some installs requiring a bunch of tweaking to kill echo or >> volume issues. The hook flash support is faulty at times and full of >> clucks, clicks, slow returning dial tone. Basically a real feeling of cheap >> quality and "emulation" going on. >> >> In the past, on TDM systems, I used their ATA or a KSU or PBX analog port >> for any basic analog phone and it was both plug & play along with solid >> sound quality at all times. > > > To be fair, it was not plug and play, you had to be somewhat skilled at the > switch you were configuring and good with a 110/66 block and a punch too. > Many times you needed a couple of people to bust out the toner to make sure > you had the right pair. > > >> Heck I even placed modems or faxes behind them without issues, (yes, I >> understand why a modem or fax is an issue behind the VoIP to FXS >> conversion). Just throwing this out because it's another area where VoIP is >> behind the times. >> > > If I were you and I never will be, but I would try to adapt to the paradigm > that VoIP is not behind the times, it is just trying to accommodate other > technologies that are behind the times, such as modems and FAXs. > > >> >> Now don't get me wrong. I'm a major Asterisk evangelist and not pushing >> go back to TDM. My basis for crying for help here is we cannot forget the >> users of the world were trained and lived on TDM, both in business and at >> home. > > > My mother can use a computer very well (and she was "trained" on a > typewriter) and my niece is amazing with technnology for her age. > > Things get old and antiquated. Morse Code, VCRs, reel to reels, > switchboards, betamax, even OTA non digitial TV in a few months. Everything > changes, gets better, and people cling to the old ways. I know several > people that swear that their old records and record player sound better than > a digital CD. > > >> That's where their expectation is. What you sell better sound and work, >> in it's worst case, like the old TDM platforms did. > > > And it does, at a MUCH cheaper price point, with many more features, if > engineered and installed by someone who knows what they are doing. > Flexibility is mind blowing. > >> >> I should mention I have obtained the level and quality in an analog phone >> that is top notch without the emulation feel but it is only for the large >> users. That has been to do a Asterisk T1 connected to an Audit 600 using >> analog station cards. This paralleled the analog service delivery I could >> get from the TDM world, but it's an expensive deployment. > > > I think you should try a few different vendors and solutions. What you > mention above is going to give you pretty much the best analog. I am sure > someone else can sell you something that does this with SIP. My personal > recommendation is Quintum, but I am sure others do just as well. > > >> >> >> What have people used in a small deployment, 2 to 4 FXS ports, that >> REALLY performs like a traditional TDM delivered analog service? >> > > Generally, you buy a Digium or Sangoma board with the right number of FXO > ports and then in install Polycom (or whatever) SIP phones. > > Personally, with both Digium and Sangoma FXS ports, I get perfect > operation. Maybe try posting your configs instead of a book and biography. > > Have you explored your zap configs? There could be a simple setting that > makes everything wonderful. [EMAIL PROTECTED] didn't really have much > facility for that. > > >> >> Thanks for allowing me to rant, (fighting with a Linksys PAP2T on a home >> office Asterisk switch right now). >> >> Jim >> >> > Thanks, > Steve Totaro > >
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