Yes I am aware he is the second executive to be arrested......the first
is still yet to be charged and is still awaiting trial and has fallen
off the face of the general media which is why I'm 'motivated' to draw
attention and outrage to this second case.
Yes you are right it does belong off this list but with so many people
on this list doing international business on the internet (including
yourself by the looks of your own voip carrier website).
So when someone from China places an order on your website for a voip
service, you agree that it would be ok for the Chinese government to let
the Chinese customer go free but for them to arrest you and any other
directors muWare?
(also lets not forget that the WTO has already ruled that USA government
is in breach with their court case back in March).
I'm very curious about your thoughts or will you prefer to stick your
head in the sand and pretend that the USA lives in a bubble on the
planet earth and would prefer that Walmart not do business
internationally or that the Ford motor car you drive not use Australian
steel etc etc.
Cheers,
Dean
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users-
[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Milk
Sent: Friday, 8 September 2006 1:22 PM
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: Re: {Fraud?} RE: [asterisk-users] FW: Peter Dicks Chairman
ofSportingbet
PLC isarrested at JFK!!
Why don't you keep political diatribe to your blog? This is OT, and
quite frankly it displays that you have less than perfect grasp on
reality.
Mark Spencer makes a software product that is perfectly legal to use
anywhere in the world, even in India (as long as it stays within a
building and used as a PBX only). It's the user's responsibility to
understand and follow local law in utilizing this software. By the
same
token, a vehicle is legal to use for most, but it becomes a weapon
when
you intentionally or neglectfully run someone over.
Peter Dicks was operating a business that was offering certain
services
that are illegal in the place where he offered them. If he was
arrested
the moment he entered the US, then this was investigated before, and
he
was asked to cease offering these illegal services in the US, but has
refused to do so -- if you followed the news as enthusiastically as
you
post OT messages, then you would have realized that Dicks was the
*second* executive that was arrested. This should have come as no
surprise to Dicks or his lawyers.
So, now we're seeing the guy not as a clueless tourist, but a
law-defying visitor. He's done something that is illegal, has refused
to
stop, and was dumb enough to step into the jurisdiction of his crime.
Is
there a problem with that? Because if there is, you need to start
defending Columbian drug-lords and terrorists, too.
This is fulfills my quote of OT posts for the day. Just had to say
something in the face of such obvious stupidity.
Dean Collins wrote:
Exactly so why aren't they trying to arrest the 50 million people in
the USA who have gambled online?
Mark (as far as I know) isn't actively checking with asterisk users
for what country they are in so therefore in the reciprocal eyes of
the indian government he is similarly breaking the law.
Basically what the USA government is charging Peter Dicks with is
not
being a global policeman to enforce a USA law (which the WTO has
already ruled is illegal back in March
http://www.internetnews.com/ec-news/article.php/3434111 ).
The USA government can't enforce it's principals on the rest of the
world otherwise they are no better than the terrorists who are
trying
to impose Sharia Law on the world.
I'm trying terribly not to take this discussion any further Off
Topic
but realistically we live in a global society and the USA is
overstepping it's limits on international trade here. I appreciate
this isn't the best forum for it but this has much wider
ramifications
for those of us who do business internationally in and with the USA.
Cheers,
Dean
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*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Alex
Robar
*Sent:* Friday, 8 September 2006 12:45 PM
*To:* Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
*Subject:* Re: [asterisk-users] FW: Peter Dicks Chairman of
Sportingbet PLC isarrested at JFK!!
The guy was arrested because he was conciously allowing US citizens
to
gamble online, something illegal in the US at this point. He ran a
business who's sole profit source came from this illegal activity.
Spencer is an entirely different situation. He's not running a
business in which he provides VoIP to places where it is illegal.
He's
running a business the develops software that enables VoIP...
There's
a big difference there. If someone takes the software and uses it in
a
place where VoIP is illegal, that does not make Spencer responsible.
Think of it along the lines of BitTorrent software. The software
isn't
illegal - it has valid uses - but it _could_ be used for something
illegal. All that means is that the user of the software has
commited
a crime; Not the developer.
Alex
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*From:* Dean Collins
*Sent:* Friday, 8 September 2006 10:22 AM
*To:* 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion'
*Subject:* FW: Peter Dicks Chairman of Sportingbet PLC is
arrested
at JFK!!
I'm sending this to the asterisk list - consciously knowing it
will piss some people off but this is the *most important
business
issue of the day* for anyone doing business in or with a US
company.
Oh and before anyone on this list thinks of calling this OT -
how
about Mark Spencer being arrested while travelling in a country
like India or the Middle East that has banned VOIP services
(which
is still illegal because they cant tax it of course).
I don't know what you are going to be able to do with this
information but this has to be discussed as it affect the future
of international commerce when dealing with the USA.
Best intentions,
Dean
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*From:* Dean Collins
*Sent:* Friday, 8 September 2006 10:15 AM
*Subject:* Peter Dicks Chairman of Sportingbet PLC is arrested
at
JFK!!
This is bullshit.
I don't know how to effectively express my outrage over this
action by the US government.
Check out these links for background info;
www.nytimes.com
<http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/08/technology/08gamble.html?_r=1&oref=sl
ogin
money.cnn.com
<http://money.cnn.com/2006/09/08/news/international/bc.leisure.sportingb
et.reut/?p
ostversion=2006090808>
today.reuters.co.uk
<http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/articlenews.aspx?type=internetNews&stor
yID=200
6-09-07T160138Z_01_N07242747_RTRIDST_0_OUKIN-UK-LEISURE-
SPORTINGBET-DICKS.XML>
www.businessweek.com
<http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D8K02SM85.htm?sub=apn_euro
_up&chan=gb>
So basically we have a UK citizen, operating a UK business
(sportingbetplc.com board)
<http://www.sportingbetplc.com/pages/15/Our+Board.stm?PHPSESSID=15ba3131
b6035fc855dabdde5c19b246>
who the moment he steps foot into the USA is arrested, not for
crimes he committed but for crimes committted by US citizens.
Oh and arrested under ambiguous Louisiana law, that defines all
interstate gaming as illegal.
I cant wait for the chairman of the NY Times to be arrested on a
visit to China because chinese citizens were reading copies of
the
NY Times on the internet.
Oh and as for visiting 'unfriendly' countries, how about if
Castro
started shooting american tourists he found in Cuba for 'crimes
of
treason' in carrying US dollars in their wallets?
This is insane America. When are you going to wake up and begin
to
be a good 'world citizen'?
You cant just arrest people for 'crimes against the state' that
dont even occur in your country........isn't that what
terrorists
do? Impose their will against the world at large.
I keep hoping I will wake up and the insanity will end? it's
like
a bad dream.
It's getting hard to tell who is the bad guys anymore.
http://deancollinsblog.blogspot.com/2006/09/peter-dicks-chairman-of-
sportingbet.html
