On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 3:32 PM, Steve Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 18 May 2008, Steve Totaro wrote: > >> On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 12:32 AM, Jay R. Ashworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 06:43:51PM -0400, Steve Totaro wrote: >>>> Maybe next they will charge $250 for "conference bridge" capabilities. >>>> It's a joke to cripple things that can be enabled by flicking a >>>> switch. > > If a feature adds value to a product, the customer will pay more for it. > If a feature increases your support cost, you will charge more for it.
I charge per hour. If they want the additional functionality, it must be defined in the scope of work and they will pay for it based on my hourly rate. > >> I guess I hate to see something I have viewed as such a huge paradigm >> shift and disruptive force from selling boxes to selling knowledge. > > If I buy a bare DL380 from you, will it cost the same as a fully loaded > DL380 configured, optimized, and guaranteed to handle 400 seats? I think > you sell your "knowledge" as well as a "box" as well as your time. > I already addressed this in another post in this thread. Your assumptions are incorrect on how I do business. >> I do however, think that Digium should provide some rough concurrent >> call figures and I guess that is how I got off topic on this SwitchVox >> tangent. There are some common feature sets, especially when looking >> at PBX functionality with or without Zap or transcoding hardware that >> could be published (with a disclaimer of course). There are also >> common server platforms but that is more of a moving target. > > Someone brought up the TPC benchmark. The purpose of the benchmark is to > "standardize" a synthetic processing load to allow competing vendors to > beat their chests. Who is competing with Digium? Where is the competition? > It's not in software, its in hardware. Thus, the competitors are IBM, > Dell, HP, Zonbu, etc. Since our marketplace is so small, the > aforementioned vendors are not interested in the market so the burden > falls to the interested parties -- us. > > If we can agree on a couple of benchmark scenarios, we can then test our > hardware and post our results to the wiki in table and graph form. > > In the interest in starting the process, here are a couple of metrics I'd > be interested in. > > ) What is the maximum number of simultaneous calls (1 on 1 conversations) > that can be bridged before call quality is impaired> > > ) What is the maximum number of simultaneous calls that can be put into a > single meetme conference before call quality is impaired> > > ) What is the maximum number of 3 person (agent, customer, supervisor) > meetme conferences before call quality is impaired> > > How do you objectively measure call quality? Pass a sine wave at the upper > and lower range of a human voice and compare the waveforms? > > How do you construct a "standard" benchmark test bed? 2 identical Asterisk > systems, 1 beating on the other? > > These metrics should be run for each technology (IAX, SIP, TDM via T1, TDM > via USB) as well as Asterisk version (1.2, 1.4, 1.6) > > There are a lot of variables (OS flavor, OS version, OS tweaks, gcc > version, network interface and driver, etc.) that need to be identified > and as we collect more samples we may discover that some of these > variables are important and some are not. This implies that at least in > the "beta" stage of developing a benchmark, submitters must "own" their > samples and be willing to re-run tests as the benchmark is refined. > > Thanks in advance, > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Steve Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: +1-760-468-3867 PST > Newline Fax: +1-760-731-3000 > Steve, I would like to discuss this more with you. Please contact me offlist if you are interested in going forward or being involved. Thanks, Steve Totaro _______________________________________________ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
