1FL is an Analog Phone line, on Ontario Bell speak..

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Subject: RE: [on-asterisk] Asterisk defence

Pardon me, but what's a 1FL?  It doesn't seem to Google. We have the
generator and the whopping large UPS.  Its Asterisk's uptime and talk
path reliability I was wondering about.  QOS planning answers some of
that of course.

Everyone's T1 successes are encouraging.  The Digium cards were called
"inefficient" BTW.  Myself, I think Sangoma is the way to go, especially
if we have to do it ourselves.  I didn't realize their tech support was
so great.

Thanks,
Peter M.

> There isn't rocket science behind T1's.. 
> 
> On my first T1 install I just had my rep order a T1 with some DID's. I

> called Bell up, and fired up the line, plugged in my Sangoma card and 
> "it just worked".
> 
> My experiences have all been great. Sangoma Tech support is always 
> available to debug any connection problems.. I know I've used them 
> lots before for debugging Frame relay problems on old frame
connections.
> 
> I haven't had to use them much for their PRI cards, but that's a good 
> thing as well.  Either way, you should be able to get a card up and 
> running with little hassle.
> 
> 
> The main thing to realized when doing mission critical work is to 
> define missions critical.
> If your hard drive blows up, and fried the entire machine, would you 
> be able to deal with a 2 minute outage as the spare machine was
powered up?
> 
> What if you had 1FL backup on outage? I know we had a planned outage, 
> and the second we took the T1 offline our calls came right across the 
> 1FL without having any problems or changes.
> 
> As for 911.. I can't really say, it depends on what the user requires.
> Can they accept 20 minutes of down time? If not then you better have a

> hell of a setup to prevent any outage..
> 
> Backhoes, extended power outages, fire, and other emergencies will 
> take out a similar PBX.. So plan for those and go from there.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> Sent: June 14, 2006 1:50 PM
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> Subject: Re: [on-asterisk] Asterisk defence
> 
> Well said!  I suppose another perspective is that if we buy the 
> Televantage switch and glean the experience of working with a T1, we 
> could then use that to build a  * switch for our message service and 
> connect the two together thru SIP.  Does anyone consider * reliable 
> enough for mission critical work, say processing 911 calls?  That's 
> where it might get a bit scary.
> Can't be worse than the ancient PBX and DID line terminators we're 
> running with now though.  Its only a five position call centre so 
> that's a case for * AFAIK.
> 
> Regards,
> Peter M.
> 
> > The Defence:
> > To the defence, we need to ignore trash talk of salesman such as the

> > Televantage guy, be aware of insecure sales dudes such as him, and 
> > move on & investigate other companies that are more professional in 
> > speech & more sensitive to your business needs & other prospects. We
> need to do business with companies that "listen" vs.
> > talk talk talk and do business with companies that are open to
change.
> 
> > Sure it's toughto stay up to date with technology & other Open 
> > Source technologies, but it'sVERY dangerous to stand still and do
nothing.
> > 
> > The Message:
> > Your message is simple proof that sales trash talk travels faster 
> > than
> 
> > the speed of light, and degrades the reputation of companies such as

> > Televantagewhen their first line of defence is not very
professional.
> > I commend you forposting the bluntly honest message & openly sharing

> > this with us, which has been received by over
> > 100+ Asterisk enthusiasts, some of whom are using the technology to 
> > 100+ generate
> > revenue. Had* not been open source, this telecom consulting 
> > opportunity would not have been possible for the enthusiasts and the

> > little guys that do not have multi- millions of dollars as backup.
> > 
> > The Suggestion:
> > My only suggestion is that us hardcore Asterisk supporters be aware 
> > of
> 
> > other VOIP technologies & educate our prospects and clients with * &

> > related products, eventually allowing the customer to make a 
> > decision.Chances are they will go for the Asterisk solution when we 
> > speak so passionately about it - and the fact of the matter is that 
> > Asterisk for small to medium business settings, is likely the most 
> > flexible & reasonable solution. The other fact hard for larger
> companies to bite is that * is gaining STRONG ground!
> > 
> > The Lesson Learnt:
> > From this Televantage Trash talk, we also have a good lesson to 
> > learn and that is we must always be sensitive to our clients needs. 
> > If we trash talk about a car, chances are he is driving or planning 
> > to purchase the make & model of the car we are trashing :).
> > 
> > The answer:
> > "So why would he say that his programming group had to do $35000 
> > worth
> 
> > of custom programming to get a PRI working in Halifax NS? "
> > To call someone a liar or incompetent, is a very strong and harsh 
> > word. So I will say he either does not know what he is talking 
> > about, or his programming group is not very knowledgeable, or he 
> > simply wants
> 
> > to show off that he is a hotshot. Maybe all the above.
> > 
> > The Question:
> > Who's next? Who dare trash Asterisk?
> > 
> > Cheers!
> > Reza.
> > 
> 
> 
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