Thanks Reza! That does sound very practical and simple. Anyone see any
major holes in that, or have additional suggestions?

On Mon, 11 Feb 2008, Reza M. Reza wrote:

> The problem with merchant accounts is that the more you refund transactions,
> the more flags you raise.  With my merchant account if I have a refund rate
> of 1% of my annual transaction, questions & audits arise.  If you have a
> charge back rate of 0.1 %,  then your usage rates go HIGHER.  Merchant
> account providers preferably want 0 charge backs, but are aware it may be a
> difficult ambition.
>
> In other words, the merchant account provider gives you time to "refund" a
> transaction before a chargeback.    So every refund you make, you still
> corner yourself to a "High Risk" account and your rates increases from 1-2%
> to 7% depending on the nature of your business. Either way, a merchant
> account is looked upon as a business account, regardless of "for profit" or
> "non-profit".
>
> My suggestion is more simple:
>
> Hold a personal cheque of the value of the phone, along with a copy of a
> picture ID  (responsibility of the person wanting the phone on loan).  For
> shipping a phone, anyone can create a Venture 1 business account with Canada
> post, pay for parcel shipping online via credit card,  print the waybill,
> and drop the phone to any Canada Post office or letter box, and email the
> PDF copy of the waybill as proof of shipment to the loan moderators.
>
> There are other ways of Bank Transfers via Online Bill Payment procedures,
> but those take time and money (in the couple of hundreds of dollars) to
> setup and incurs a minimum of $15-$25 in monthly usage fees.
>
> But granted, we've had a very relaxed phone loan program and to be fair to
> others and give others a fair chance on the loans, we may need a more
> effective system in place vs. signing a form.
>
> Best,
> Reza.
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Simon P. Ditner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 1:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [on-asterisk] Aastra Loaner Program
>
>
> > re: holding something of value. Something physical isn't too
> > practical, and wads of cash is even less so -- but how about a hold on
> > a credit card for the value of the phone? Anyone know how difficult
> > that sort of thing is if you had a merchant account? How long can a
> > hold be for?
> >
> > re,
> > spd
> >
> > On Feb 10, 2008 5:03 PM, Chuck Mariotti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> I often found it hard to get the units back to a meeting the next month
> >> (if the subject wasn't of interest or I couldn't make it). Shipping would
> >> have been nice, or some method of getting it to the next person in line.
> >> I also think it would be wise to get something held until the unit is
> >> returned (of greater value than the phone of course). It's too easy a
> >> deal to get one.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Simon
> >> P. Ditner
> >> Sent: February-10-08 10:07 AM
> >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Cc: [email protected]
> >> Subject: Re: [on-asterisk] Aastra Loaner Program
> >>
> >> It's on pause at the moment. A few too many phones didn't come back,
> >> and so we're improving our tracking a bit so that we can hound people
> >> better.
> >>
> >> Some extra options we're considering are:
> >> - Pre-arranged reservations and then pickup at a meeting
> >> - A pre-paid shipping fee so that it's easier to send them back
> >> - A round trip shipping fee so that coming to a meeting isn't
> >> absolutely necessary
> >>
> >> Thoughts anyone?
> >>
> >> On Feb 9, 2008 5:57 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> > I would like to know if the loaner program for aastra program is still
> >> > available. If so, who do I contact to borrow an Aastra 9133i phone.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks
> >> >
> >>

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