Got any better suggestions?  Until I find something else that is better (and
free) I am stuck with FreePBX.  It does everything I could ever possibly
want it to do.

If someone thinks it is not flexible enough to support most if not all
custom configurations they probably don't know how to use it properly.  

Configuring from scratch may be good for personal satisfaction, ego or
whatever but not very practical for a lot of people, businesses, and
applications.  

I am not disagreeing that the requirement for MySQL, Perl, and Apache are
overkill for many installations.  It does work quite well for more
complicated setups and again, there is nothing else out there that is free
and even comes close to it's sophistication and ease of use.

-----Original Message-----
From: IPC Solutions [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 3:09 PM
To: Discussion of AstLinux - Asterisk on Compact Flash
Subject: Re: [Astlinux-users] Phone provisioning

Thanks FreePBX for forcing me to learn how to configure Asterisk from
scratch.
HORRIBLE is the word.

Totally agree.

Michael Knill

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kristian
Kielhofner
Sent: Friday, 20 October 2006 6:25 AM
To: Discussion of AstLinux - Asterisk on Compact Flash
Subject: Re: [Astlinux-users] Phone provisioning


Paul Davidson wrote:
>
> I agree- plists would be a nice match.  My concern, especially in  the 
> case of something like astlinux, but in general, is the use of scripts 
> to 'bring  older configs up to date'.  I don't wanna- I want the 
> system to use what's there, let me  make arbitrary changes directly to 
> the configuration files, and still be able to deal with  it.  I know, 
> it's a picky, lofty goal- perhaps even impossible.  But I look at it 
> as- I can represent the same dialplan 10 different ways or more, and 
> Asterisk interprets it correctly, every time- so why can't a configuration
tool?
> I see it as a perfect fit for astlinux, as it's use is more  aimed at 
> small environments, with beginning administrators, or no administrator
> at all.   Someone who installs asterisk in an environment like that
> needs a simple interface, but may grow into  more  advanced 
> development- and  the last thing I would recommend to them is to lock 
> themselves in to a particular configuration tool, or style.
>
> I will keep my eye on it, and I'll also burn some brain power as to 
> how I might get my evil, er, stated goals accomplished.  At some 
> point, I may put together a collection of some of the more bizarre 
> Asterisk configs, so I can feed them into a parser and see what jumps out.
>
> -pbd
>

pbd,

        I like your style.  FreePBX (or whatever they are calling that GUI)
has some major problems that keep it out of AstLinux:

1)  HUGE software dependencies.  Why do you need MySQL, perl, etc, etc for a
simple web interface?

2)  Inflexibility.  They also force a given style of configuration on you.
If you are not able to accomplish your Asterisk goals within that framework,
too bad.  You're out of luck and you're back to editing config files by
hand.  Unfortunately, now you are editing HORRIBLE config files that are so
abstracted you're better off starting from scratch...

        I really like how you are approaching this.  Let me know if you need
anything, anything at all.

--
Kristian Kielhofner
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