James,

Thanks for the info.

ntpd is compiled with "--enable-ipv6" ...

http://astlinux.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/astlinux/branches/0.7/package/ntp/ntp.mk?revision=3795

Guy's link has some good info.  A patch may be required to get this working for 
you with IPV6=yes

Lonnie


On Jun 26, 2010, at 12:20 PM, James Babiak wrote:

> Lonnie,
> 
> I tried using the -4 and -6 parameter with both the old and new version 
> of ntpd. Neither seem to be affected in any way. Even if I use -6 on the 
> old (and working) version, it does not attempt to listen on ::. Which 
> makes me think it wasn't compiled with ipv6 support. And the new (non 
> working) version will always attempt to use :: even if I use -4 (which 
> is the default in the init script) and crash saying it can't bind to it.
> 
> But to the last comment, I don't think ipv6 support in ntp is required 
> for ipv6 dns queries. I was able to do those even when ntpd was not 
> running and I didn't even know it. Or did you mean ipv6 ntp queries?
> 
> -James
> 
> On 06/26/2010 12:42 PM, Lonnie Abelbeck wrote:
>> James,
>> 
>> If you have IPV6=yes, you could try hacking /etc/init.d/ntpd and add
>> 
>>     if [ "$IPV6" != "yes" ]; then
>>       NTPAF="-4"
>> +    else
>> +      NTPAF="-6"
>>     fi
>> 
>> OR, since ntpd is not running, try from the CLI for a test
>> 
>> $ ntpd -6 -g -q -c /etc/ntpd.conf
>> 
>> This will force IPv6 DNS lookups, may be worth a shot.
>> 
>> Lonnie
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 26, 2010, at 9:59 AM, James Babiak wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> Guy,
>>> 
>>> Thanks! I think you may have found out exactly what the problem is. I do in 
>>> fact have ipv6 enabled in the kernel, and my problem is identical to that.
>>> 
>>> You know it's funny, because when I first saw that error message, I noticed 
>>> the :: indicating ipv6, so thought maybe there was an issue with it not 
>>> able to bind because of something else listening on that socket, but never 
>>> thought about the fact that enabling ipv6 in and of itself could have 
>>> caused the problem.
>>> 
>>> I'm really curious why 4.2.4p7 works with ipv6 and 4.2.4p8 doesn't. Lonnie 
>>> mentioned something about a 'HIGH' security fix being the difference, so I 
>>> wonder if it's related...
>>> 
>>> But that does kind of put me between a rock and a hard place. I want ntpd 
>>> running obviously, but I also want to enable ipv6. Based on your link Guy, 
>>> it seems like there is a way to compile the newer ntpd version without ipv6 
>>> support. I guess I can try that, and maybe it should be done like that for 
>>> the official release version if astlinux plans on officially supporting 
>>> ipv6 in the future.
>>> 
>>> Though since :123 isn't reachable from the Wan, and I'm not as concerned 
>>> about it on the Lan, I guess I can also just run the older version for the 
>>> time being.
>>> 
>>> I'll have to mess around with it later. The ipv6 module is in use, so I 
>>> can't remove it with the system up, so I'll have to try removing it for the 
>>> next reboot and see what happens. But I'm pretty convinced that it's the 
>>> answer.
>>> 
>>> Thanks!!!
>>> 
>>> -James
>>> 
>>> On 06/26/2010 10:16 AM, Guy Neale wrote:
>>> 
>>>> If you've been playing with IPV6 then this looks suspiciously similar.
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg23669.html
>>>> 
>>>> Guy
>>>> 
>>>> On 26/06/2010, at 11:39 PM, Guy Neale wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> ntpd is running ok on my VIA EPIA MII-Series (C3 Processor)
>>>>> 
>>>>> ps
>>>>> 2516 root      1156 S    ntpd -4 -c /etc/ntpd.conf
>>>>> 
>>>>> ntpd -?
>>>>> ntpd - NTP daemon program - Ver. 4.2.4p8
>>>>> 
>>>>> Guy
>>>>> 
>>>>>  On 26/06/2010, at 9:52 PM, Lonnie Abelbeck wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> James,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This is weird, indeed...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ntpd 4.2.4p7 ->  4.2.4p8 was just a (Severity: HIGH) security fix.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I haven't seen any ntpd problems, but I don't have a 'via' box.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Did you build this yourself, or from the repository?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Michael mentioned to try 4.2.6p1, but so far the 4.2.6 series has an 
>>>>>> issue for us, we first do (equivalent to the retired ntpdate)
>>>>>> $ ntpd -g -q -c /etc/ntpd.conf
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> to reset the clock in one big step, but in 4.2.6 (4.2.6p1 appears to be 
>>>>>> the same per Michael's log)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Jun 26 12:05:34 alix daemon.notice ntpd[2447]: ntpd: time slew +0.000000 
>>>>>> s
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> the clock is not immediately slew'ed as 4.2.4 does, which is a problem 
>>>>>> for us.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> In 0.7.2 try the new command
>>>>>> $ show-union
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> without arguments shows the contents of the ASTURW unionfs overlay 
>>>>>> (minus the sounds and kd), the list should be fairly short, maybe some 
>>>>>> old edit is causing a problem.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Lonnie
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 25, 2010, at 11:17 PM, James Babiak wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hey,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I just noticed that since I upgraded to 0.7.2, that ntpd doesn't work.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I rebooted a phone, and saw that it wasn't able to pull the time. I 
>>>>>>> checked on the box, and saw ntpd wasn't running. Originally I thought 
>>>>>>> it just crashed (which has happened in the past), but I tried 
>>>>>>> restarting the daemon and it error'd out. Even after a reboot (which 
>>>>>>> has occurred three times) I still have the same problem:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> /var/log/messages.0:Dec 31 19:01:31 voip daemon.notice ntpd[2705]: ntpd 
>>>>>>> [email protected] Thu May 13 00:20:20 UTC 2010 (1)
>>>>>>> /var/log/messages.0:Dec 31 19:01:31 voip daemon.debug ntpd[2705]: 
>>>>>>> signal_no_reset: signal 13 had flags 4000000
>>>>>>> /var/log/messages.0:Dec 31 19:01:31 voip daemon.info ntpd[2705]: 
>>>>>>> precision = 1.018 usec
>>>>>>> /var/log/messages.0:Dec 31 19:01:31 voip daemon.debug ntpd[2705]: 
>>>>>>> ntp_io: estimated max descriptors: 1024, initial socket boundary: 16
>>>>>>> /var/log/messages.0:Dec 31 19:01:31 voip daemon.info ntpd[2705]: 
>>>>>>> Listening on interface #0 wildcard, 0.0.0.0#123 Disabled
>>>>>>> /var/log/messages.0:Dec 31 19:01:31 voip daemon.err ntpd[2705]: unable 
>>>>>>> to bind to wildcard socket address :: - another process may be running 
>>>>>>> - EXITING
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It can neither query the server for the time to set itself, nor bind to 
>>>>>>> the port to listen for queries itself.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> At first I assumed, based on those logs, that something else was 
>>>>>>> listening on port 123, and ntpd couldn't bind to it. But netstat showed 
>>>>>>> that it was not the case. I know it was running perfectly fine before, 
>>>>>>> though I can't say for sure that it never worked with 0.7.2, though I 
>>>>>>> upgraded to it recently, and I don't remember for a fact if it ever ran 
>>>>>>> since that point.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Knowing that it did work prior to the upgrade, I copied over an older 
>>>>>>> version of ntpd, and that works fine. The version bundled with 0.7.2 is 
>>>>>>> 4.2.4p8, and the version that does work is 4.2.4p7.
>>>>>>> With the older version:
>>>>>>> /var/log/messages:Jun 25 21:47:07 voip daemon.notice ntpd[7286]: ntpd 
>>>>>>> [email protected] Tue Apr 20 15:33:00 UTC 2010 (1)
>>>>>>> /var/log/messages:Jun 25 21:47:07 voip daemon.debug ntpd[7286]: 
>>>>>>> signal_no_reset: signal 13 had flags 4000000
>>>>>>> /var/log/messages:Jun 25 21:47:07 voip daemon.info ntpd[7286]: 
>>>>>>> precision = 1.018 usec
>>>>>>> /var/log/messages:Jun 25 21:47:07 voip daemon.debug ntpd[7286]: ntp_io: 
>>>>>>> estimated max descriptors: 1024, initial socket boundary: 16
>>>>>>> /var/log/messages:Jun 25 21:47:07 voip daemon.info ntpd[7286]: 
>>>>>>> Listening on interface #0 wildcard, 0.0.0.0#123 Disabled
>>>>>>> /var/log/messages:Jun 25 21:47:07 voip daemon.info ntpd[7286]: 
>>>>>>> Listening on interface #1 lo, 127.0.0.1#123 Enabled
>>>>>>> /var/log/messages:Jun 25 21:47:07 voip daemon.info ntpd[7286]: 
>>>>>>> Listening on interface #2 eth0, 174.58.33.164#123 Enabled
>>>>>>> /var/log/messages:Jun 25 21:47:07 voip daemon.info ntpd[7286]: 
>>>>>>> Listening on interface #3 eth1, 172.20.0.1#123 Enabled
>>>>>>> /var/log/messages:Jun 25 21:47:07 voip daemon.info ntpd[7286]: 
>>>>>>> Listening on interface #4 eth2.30, 172.30.0.1#123 Enabled
>>>>>>> /var/log/messages:Jun 25 21:47:07 voip daemon.info ntpd[7286]: 
>>>>>>> Listening on interface #5 tun0, 172.21.0.1#123 Enabled
>>>>>>> /var/log/messages:Jun 25 21:47:07 voip daemon.info ntpd[7286]: 
>>>>>>> Listening on interface #6 tun2, 172.22.0.5#123 Enabled
>>>>>>> /var/log/messages:Jun 25 21:47:07 voip daemon.info ntpd[7286]: kernel 
>>>>>>> time sync status 0040
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Very weird... I've messed around with things trying to figure out why 
>>>>>>> it's broken, but for the life of me can't.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Anyone else have any issues with ntpd 4.2.4p8 and 0.7.2 on a Via system?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -James
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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