> Do you think I should remove PHYETH_DISABLE_OFFLOAD and try a BIOS upgrade to 
> see if it fixes the problem?

No ... first make sure setting PHYETH_DISABLE_OFFLOAD solves the issue with 
your DLS provider and your APU2s.

After that, AstLinux 1.4.0 will be the solution without setting 
PHYETH_DISABLE_OFFLOAD .

Ideally, you could test a 1.4-pre-release on an APU2 with the new DLS provider 
to make certain we have identified the issue.
https://www.astlinux-project.org/dev.html

Lonnie


> On Sep 20, 2020, at 5:24 AM, Michael Knill 
> <michael.kn...@ipcsolutions.com.au> wrote:
> 
> Yes my BIOS is quite old:
> 3999-IPCBuild-CM1 kd # dmesg | grep DMI
> [    0.000000] DMI: PC Engines APU, BIOS SageBios_PCEngines_APU-45 04/05/2014
> 
> Funny as it's a pretty new box.
> 
> Do you think I should remove PHYETH_DISABLE_OFFLOAD and try a BIOS upgrade to 
> see if it fixes the problem?
> I don't think I will for existing sites as a BIOS upgrade looks pretty hard 
> to do and I assume cannot be done remotely.
> 
> Regards
> Michael Knill
> 
> On 20/9/20, 12:18 pm, "Lonnie Abelbeck" <li...@lonnie.abelbeck.com> wrote:
> 
>    Hi Michael,
> 
>    Ahhh, very good ... looks like we are on to something.
> 
>    Add it to one/some of your APU2s and let us know how it goes.
> 
>    As far as my Qotom Q190G4N, I initially had to set PHYETH_DISABLE_OFFLOAD 
> to keep it from locking-up with sustained high network traffic but then 
> switched the RAM SO-DIMM with another brand and did not need 
> PHYETH_DISABLE_OFFLOAD anymore. My comments probably got you started adding 
> PHYETH_DISABLE_OFFLOAD.
> 
>    This is a very obscure kernel bug, as such it never got back-ported to 
> Linux 3.16.x .
> 
>    For the APU2, the BIOS could play a role in how it initializes the NICs 
> and whether this kernel bug is triggered.
> 
>    Lonnie
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 19, 2020, at 7:49 PM, Michael Knill 
>> <michael.kn...@ipcsolutions.com.au> wrote:
>> 
>> Awesome thanks Lonnie.
>> Yes its all making sense now. I already have this directive in my template 
>> against the Qotom Q190G4U for some reason (should I have?)
>> I have two Qotoms connected to the problem provider, one had this directive 
>> set already and has not failed and one did not (I forgot to change when I 
>> changed hardware) which fails.
>> All my APU's don't have this set so all have problems with this provider.
>> 
>> I'm thinking we have finally solved this issue.
>> Thanks so much for your help
>> 
>> Regards
>> Michael Knill
>> 
>> On 20/9/20, 9:29 am, "Lonnie Abelbeck" <li...@lonnie.abelbeck.com> wrote:
>> 
>>   I would try this first
>>   --
>>   PHYETH_DISABLE_OFFLOAD="tso gso gro"
>>   --
>>   and see if it fixes the problem.
>> 
>>   If by chance it does fix it, then it would not be needed in AstLinux 1.4.x.
>> 
>>   The PHYETH_DISABLE_OFFLOAD settings disable some of the "offload" features 
>> of the NICs in an effort to work around this (somewhat obscure) kernel bug.
>> 
>>   It all kind of makes sense that a particular provider is fragmenting 
>> packets in ways others do not, and hits this kernel bug.
>> 
>>   The PHYETH_DISABLE_OFFLOAD setting above is very "safe", only drawback is 
>> it slightly reduces network performance near the 1 Gbps level.
>> 
>>   BTW, if traffic shaping is enabled this PHYETH_DISABLE_OFFLOAD setting is 
>> already applied to external ethernet NIC(s).
>> 
>>   Lonnie
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2020, at 6:09 PM, Michael Knill 
>>> <michael.kn...@ipcsolutions.com.au> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Awesome thanks Lonnie. 
>>> 
>>> I will give it a try although I have no idea what it does!
>>> I assume I can remove this when I go to Astlinux 1.4?
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> Michael Knill
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone so please excuse my brevity. 
>>> 
>>>> On 19 Sep 2020, at 11:56 pm, Lonnie Abelbeck <li...@lonnie.abelbeck.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Michael,
>>>> 
>>>> Great info!
>>>> 
>>>> Try this in your user.conf, and reboot.
>>>> --
>>>> PHYETH_DISABLE_OFFLOAD="tso gso gro"
>>>> --
>>>> 
>>>> If my hunch is correct, this kernel fix added in 4.1.17 may be related ...
>>>> 
>>>> net: preserve IP control block during GSO segmentation
>>>> https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux.git/commit/include/linux/skbuff.h?h=v4.1.17&id=abefd1b4087b9b5e83e7b4e7689f8b8e3cb2899c
>>>> 
>>>> Lonnie
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 18, 2020, at 10:56 PM, Michael Knill 
>>>>> <michael.kn...@ipcsolutions.com.au> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yay some progress on this problem.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I had my 4th site lock up yesterday. It was a site I moved from one 
>>>>> location to another. There were no changes to the Astlinux box at all 
>>>>> other than PPPoE credentials but after a couple of hours it locked up. So 
>>>>> realistically the only change is the internet provider which is a new one 
>>>>> that I am trialling and is the same provider as two of the other sites 
>>>>> that are failing. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> As we are also using this provider in our home office, I set up another 
>>>>> box this morning and connected the serial port not expecting anything to 
>>>>> happen but it locked up and we captured it. Yay! It is attached.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm hoping it will help the resolution of this problem.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Michael Knill
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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