John Panzer asks of Karl Dubost: > (Let's say that Doc Searls somehow discovers a license that > would deny sploggers more than implied rights to his content > while allowing liberal use for others[1], and deploys it. > Are you saying that all of his readers' feed software would > have to drop his feed content until they're upgraded to > understand the license?) [1] http://doc.weblogs.com/2006/08/28 I think John's question can be (aggressively) rephrased as: "Can Doc Searls, by inserting a license in his feed, 'poison' the entire syndication system that we've built over the last few years?" (i.e. Can he do things that make it unsafe or illegal for people to do things which the syndication system was intentionally built to permit and which he knew were being done before he willingly inserted his content into the syndication network?) I don't think so. As argued in other messages, I strongly believe that we should not do anything that hinders or conflicts with the establishment or recognition of a limited implied license to syndicate content which is formatted using RSS/Atom and is made openly available on the network. (An interesting question, of course, would be: "What does it mean to 'syndicate'?") In any case, there is a general problem of "proper notice" here. As mentioned before, there is nothing special about an optional IETF protocol extension. This subject of inserting licenses in content should be discussed in a general sense -- not limited to this specific protocol extension. A vital question to ask is: What is proper notice of the presence of a license? No IETF standard has the force of law. Readers are not obligated to understand or even take note of the license links. Thus, no one using it should be able to have any expectation that readers will take note of it any more than they would of many other possible means of inserting licenses or references to them in content. Publishers and consumers should both be working on the assumption that normal copyright exists (i.e *all rights reserved*) except where there are fair use privileges of implied licenses that weaken the *all rights* default.) If we were to allow or encourage any one mechanism to associate restrictive licenses with content, we establish a precedent that would allow or encourage others as well. Any other "standards group" or informal collection of one or more persons could decide to define a new mechanism -- just like the IETF did. At that point, no reader could safely consume content since no matter how many mechanisms they supported there might be some others that they didn't know about. The issue here is about proper notice... How can we obligate folk to respect licenses that they have no means of discovering? We should also ask: "At what point does a restrictive license become operative?" Imagine that I decided that reading (copying) of my feeds by commercial organizations was to be prohibited. Could I bar such copying by putting a license in the content itself? Of course, if I did, that means that in order to discover that copying was not permitted the reader would have to actually do the thing which is prohibited. Clearly, even if there was some way to put effective restrictive licenses in content, there would have to remain some "implied license" exceptions to the *all rights" provision of copyright. We are all best served by an assumption that copyright leaves "all rights" reserved to the publisher and that only "fair use," "limited implied license to syndicate," and "explicit license grants (like CC)" limit the totality of those rights. With this in mind it might be best to change from a "license" link to a "rights-grant" link... In other words, frame this link type as something which can *only* be used to broaden rights, not restrict them.
bob wyman