@26 you seem to be a bit mixed up, so I'll try to help here. If you're talking about NAT it's usually in the context of a router, yes, in which case you also get a firewall. It's just how things go.
@25 I agree with all of your points and perhaps I wasn't very clear. I understand that NAT is separate from a filter, but generally your firewall is multipurpose. Yes, you should indeed have your services locked down, but security works in layers, like an onion. Just because my services are locked down doesn't mean it's still not a good idea to put a firewall up. It's literally about slowing down an attacker. Is it the one and only line of defense? Certainly not, but it's -a- line which is worth keeping in mind.
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