Re: I am affronted by the presence of god
@139
Cruel, yes. A very common belief shared even by most Christians, yes. People get comfort from that believe it or not. You can pass the test, if it's a test, and if you get an A you go to heaven (or go to better heaven, or spend less time in heaven learning what you did wrong in life, or...).
When I say that we would solve more problems without religion this is a big part of what I'm referring to. But I guess we could also solve it if we made people such as @138 reframe the test as "hey, maybe we should figure out how to not have any suffering, maybe it's actually a test to see if we can eliminate this kind of pain", rather than some medieval bear the torture and it will bring you closer to god who can apparently only be appeased by pain.
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