speedle;147009 Wrote: 
> Well, I think that whole argument, "its the amp, its the speakers, you
> need 250 watts" etc. is way, way off the mark.    There are as many
> approaches to hifi as there are people passionate... 

I agree. My 250w “recommendation” is pretty useless and without
context. I just wanted to spark some creative thinking before upgrading
a perfectly good DAC.

I also have to agree with mudlark. I have a tri-amp stereo system with
DIY speakers and active crossover: 150w woofer, 150w midrange, 80w
tweeter for a total of 380w per channel on 8ohm.
Unless I show off (happens sometimes) I listen music at a moderate
volume. This loudness level feels similar to the one of my old (still
quite good) speakers connected to a decent 120 w amp set at a
reasonable 1/4 of volume.
Yet there is no comparison. The tri-amp system sounds full range and
effortless. Feels like live sound-the-singer-is-there.  I could keep
going with the differences but I stop here.
I am also convinced that the jump in quality is due to the use of an
active crossover VS. a passive one since this translates in maximum
electrical dampening of each driver.

So my 250w recipe is definitely simplistic.

Another data point: The speakers that inspired my latest tri-amp ones
had a special passive crossover and custom drivers (this guy is not
your ordinary DIYer, he actually owned a loudspeaker company). Every
detail, there were many, was optimized for maximum dampening, minimum
diffraction (minimum baffle), no specific resonant internal lengths,
way oversized magnet (more flux = more dampening), etc.
Their sound was just amazing. The amp behind these speakers is a 400W
Audio Research. Coincidence? I think not. If you dampen it takes more
to get going.

To make a (not particularly good) parallel you can drive @30 mph two
cars, not a the same time ;-) a beat up Chevy Nova with old absorbers
and a new Audi A8 (or Chevy Impala i you will) on a road full of holes.
Chances are that the A8/Impala will command the road while the Nova will
bounce around hopelessly.


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