Themis;358913 Wrote: 
> Because it's a nice, smooth-sounding amp. :) I used to use the amp's dac
> before I got the Italian one. The couple SB3/Denon through-coax, was
> better than my old 640C CD player. But one day I found someone selling
> the North Star for about 500€ and I... couldn't resist. I won't go
> through the differences between the NS and the 3808, they are subtle
> but quite obvious for "heavy" music parts (with plenty of
> instruments).
> I've had plenty of hi-fi amps (and I still have a Marantz KI and a
> Cyrus), but the Denon sounds more than decent. I tried, occasionally,
> to upgrade the power-amp section, but none of the power amps that I
> listened to (four), below the 1200€ price tag, managed to drive my
> speakers better than the 3808. Even its phono section is sweet : so, I
> stick with it, at the moment. ;)
> 
> I know there are a lot of myths about A/V amps (I owned 4, the AVR-300
> being one of them), some say that A/V amps made by specialized hifi
> firms are better sounding... well, I disagree. Today's A/V amps made by
> "commercial" firms like Denon, Yamaha, H/K etc have decent transformers,
> power sections, very good D/A converter implementations and so much
> more. And mostly : they sound musical.
> 
> I have plenty of friends (hifi vendors or enthusiasts) who claim the
> contrary, but most of them never listened to a decent A/V amp in good
> conditions. And I don't care enough about their beliefs to prove them
> the contrary. :)

Hi Themis-  I have that exact AV receiver in my HT and I agree with you
that it has a nice sounding DAC.  However, where I disagree with you is
with the amp section, which IMO isn't very good at all, for my ears
anyway.  I use a separate power amp with it and, nothing scientific
here, but I prefer the sound immensely with the external amp.  I'm sure
you have tried other setups, but if you haven't tried it with a separate
power amp, I would highly recommend it.


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