m1abrams;611185 Wrote: 
> Depth of image, and palpability really have little meaning when it comes
> to reproducing sound.Huh? I think the perception of the recording space and 
> how real the
instruments/voices sound has a very large meaning. At least to me they
do! These qualities are, I believe, independent for the most part of
frequency response and other things that are measureable.

m1abrams;611185 Wrote: 
> Soundstage can easily be measured as I already stated.Sorry, I don't believe 
> that soundstage parameters can be measured in the
manner which you state. If that is true, please contact Stereophile,
Absolute Sound, and any/all other magazines and also equipment
manufacturers. I am sure they would all be interested.

These things are usually reported on by the reviewers, and the
information is gathered by *listening*. The measurements can sometimes
explain gross differences in sonics, but I haven't ever seen a
definitive measurement that quantifies how deep a soundstage is
presented by any equipment in any room, or explains why item 'A'
provides a deeper soundstage than item 'B' in the same room and with
the same ancillary equipment.

m1abrams;611185 Wrote: 
> However the issue with soundstage is it has more to do with speaker
> placement than anything else so while I can measure it in my home the
> results would not mean much in your home.  Same as my setup will sound
> very different in you home because room acoustics play as much a role
> in the sound as the equipment. Sure, I agree things will sound different, and 
> the room, speaker
placement, and everything else affects how things are perceived.

I am not saying your setup will sound the same as mine nor anyone
else's.

But, as someone stated, amplifier 'A' may present a deeper/more
recessed soundstage than amplifier 'B' even tho power output, FR, etc.,
etc. are all measurably 'identical'.

I do not believe we have measurements for these types of perceptions at
this time.


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Rick58

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