Soulkeeper;693578 Wrote: 
> No. But I am saying that if you have two bit-identical files, it is
> impossible for the history of the content of these files to cause them
> to be play differently on any computer. And therefore absolutely no
> effort needs to be wasted to refute such a claim, and those making the
> claim are fools.
> 
> Note that I said -the history of the content-. 
> 
> If one file is stored on an SSD disk and the other on a 5,25" floppy,
> that may affect the performance of the computer at playback, and thus
> affect the sound. But that wasn't at all what I said.

Phil Leigh;693583 Wrote: 
> Indeed - because if that were true, computers simply WOULD NOT WORK AT
> ALL.
> 
> What the TAS idiots seem to be unable to grasp (unlike any 6 year old)
> is that raw data is... JUST RAW DATA! It doesn't have a history or
> heritage embedded within it, or a soul or any form of high conscience.
> It's just NUMBERS!.

I don't understand "history of the content."  By that you mean which
one came first, etc.?

So let's be more precise and say we have two bit-identical audio/video
files stored within the same physical filesystem (i.e., same partition)
on some type of storage device on a computer.  You really want to claim
that it is absolutely impossible for there to be any differences
between the two files that could lead to playback differences on that
computer?

Really??

I would suggest that you might want to think a bit harder, or perhaps
study how large files actually get stored in filesystems.  Hint:  ever
had to defragment a filesystem?  Even if two files are bit-identical,
they may not be stored in exactly the same way in the filesystem.  One
may be nearly contiguous, while the other may be scattered among a set
of relatively small blocks.

Certainly it would be possible to store a sequence of copies of a file
in a filesystem so that the successive copies are increasingly
fragmented, and this fragmentation could potentially cause increasing
playback problems in the copies based on their generation.  I myself
have absolutely encountered situations where some multimedia files
played fine while others--created later--did not, precisely because the
filesystem (NTFS) was becoming increasingly fragmented.  Defragmenting
the filesystem fixed the problems (though the machine was unusable for
a couple of hours!).

While I too doubt TAS' claims--and the mere fact of some files being
"copies" of others is irrelevant--it is definitely NOT IMPOSSIBLE that
one might experience increasing playback issues with successive copies
made on a fragmented filesystem.  While I think it UNLIKELY that the
scenario I laid out is what happened to TAS, rebutting their claims was
worthy of a bit more than simply sniggering at their stupidity and
calling them names.


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