jh901 wrote: > julf or any others with experience in foreground listening should be > able to express a relevant, subjective view of enjoying aspects of sound > quality on one audio system better (or not) than on another. Sure, this > doesn't mean that everyone is going to agree. What happens when julf > watches blu-ray content on a calibrated Panasonic plasma and describes > the picture quality as being particularly exceptional in certain ways? > It's easy to measure picture quality for the most part compared to sound > quality, but isn't it ok to take note of relatively compelling picture > quality compared to a basic panel without having to verify the > perception with measurements?
I think it is o.k. But....if a manufacturer of one 4K TV says their 4K TV is 200% better picture quality than the other guys, would you take that at face value or would you prefer that, before you plunked down your thousands for that TV, the claim be backed up with facts and measurements? jh901 wrote: > This is an AUDIOPHILE forum though. Besides, there is no hard > scientific fact which proves that vastly different materials and designs > directly in the signal path do not impact sound quality. I can 100% > guarantee that I can discern my cable, in my system, from zip cord. > Keep every variable the same, including the source recording, the > volume, etc and I will nail it every time. I shouldn't need to submit > an academic paper. I don't know enough to agree or disagree with your assertion that science says that wire construction doesn't impact sound quality. Archimago's tests would suggest that in at least many cases, it doesn't. I know you can 100% guarantee that you can discern that difference between your cable and zip cord, but in order to have that assertion go beyond your individual *opinion* and into the realm of fact, AND be generally accepted by people besides you, your only choice would be to submit to a blind, controlled test. I think that almost everybody here, including ralphpnj, arnyk and julf, would change their minds (and be in a state of shock) if presented with test results that verified your own perceptions. Look, I've been down this road more times than I'd like to admit and, with a few exceptions, almost every time (after doing even a little bit more rigorous testing), I've had to make the embarrassing self-admission that I was hearing a difference that wasn't actually there. The point here is that you can keep that stuff to yourself or share with like-minded friends and family----and that's great and certainly fun and completely within your rights to do so. But, until whatever claims being made are actually submitted to the rigor of blind, controlled testing, a lot of people will continue to dismiss your claim as opinion, not fact. You can fight that battle forever and that's exactly how long it'll go on. But, until somebody with the time, knowledge, equipment and wherewithal to actually do the testing does it and publishes the results, your claim, specifically, will have to remain just your own and stay in the realm of faith and opinion (again, enjoy!....nothing wrong with that as long as no claims are made to the contrary). Rg System information ------------------------ Main: Vortexbox/Squeezelite > USB> Benchmark DAC2 D > LFD LE IV Signature amp > Revel Performa F208 speakers. Home Theatre: Touch (Wired) > Pioneer VSX 919 > Energy Take 5 Classic 5.1, Touch FW 7.8.0-r16754. LMS 7.9.0 - 0.71.20150313git1426153261 on a 1TB Micro Vortexbox Appliance, V 2.3. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ rgro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96407 _______________________________________________ audiophiles mailing list [email protected] http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
