Of course there is nothing preventing the people involved from commenting here, as Justin Couch is already doing.

Also GFA and its officials aren't the fount of all knowledge relating to gliding.

Why would anyone want to comment on a heavily censored website? You can bet nothing critical of GFA policy will ever get published, just like has happened in the magazine.

Reminds me of the old Cold War joke:

Scene: Monthly meeting of the Worker's Soviet at the People's Tractor factory No.27. After discussing various tractor production issues the chairman gives his half hour speech in praise of Marxism-Leninism, the Dialectic, exhorts the workers to even greater efforts in the future and then asks "any questions". Guy up the back puts his hand up and asks:
 "What happened to the guy who asked the question at last month's meeting?".

Fortunately the GFA can't send you to the Gulag, as much as they'd like to prevent inconvenient questions being asked.

Yet.

Mike








At 09:09 PM 12/1/2015, you wrote:
What, and be belittled again. No thank you Sean.

Chris McDonnell
AO Gympie GC

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I think this would be worth moving to the GFA Forum, where you have a chance of alerting those who can make changes to the training regime and the BSE.





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Thanks Stephen. Thorough as usual are you.
Smile


Chris

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From the old MOSP 50. Section 3 on Form 2s

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3-2-2

(3) Wing Frequency Check

All new sailplanes delivered now have stated in their airworthiness documentation the natural vibrational frequency of at least the wings.

We all know that a drinking glass will “ring” when tapped, but if it is cracked it will be “dead”. Similarly our sailplane structure will respond to internal damage, loos wing root fittings etc by changing the frequency at which it wants to vibrate.

Clearly it will be important to KNOW the frequency of the structure when new and keep track of any natural lowering of this value with age such that a sudden change can be detected and become meaningful.



WHEN:

At each Form 2 and after any air load or ground load incident particularly heavy landings and ground loops.

HOW:

With the sailplane sitting on its undercarriage, tyres at correct pressure, on a paved surface, empty, wings level, gently grasp one wing tip and shake it up and down. The wing will flex at a steady rate. It will find its own frequency and it is next to impossible for you to change it. Using a suitable watch, time the natural frequency, a complete cycle being UP and DOWN. This value should then be compared to what was found last time or what is specified for that sailplane.



As a guide only, some typical values:-

F.R.P ……    135 cycles per er minute

Wood  ……    180 cycles per er minute

Metal  ……    192 cycles per er minute



Remember - excessive heaving and shoving at the wing tip can be quite damaging.

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Regards

SWK
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>>a document on how the GFA would like it performed
Doesn't this vary from manufacturer to manufacturer? Some allow wing
frequency checks while on the wheel while others require the fuselage
to be in a cradle or similar. My guess is that the GFA would say
'follow the manufacturer's recommendations'.
Here's one they prepared earlier:
Wing oscillation frequency:
approx. 160/min 15 m span with winglets
approx. 130/min: 18 m span without parting
approx. 124/min: 18 m span with parting and winglets
Aircraft should rest on both wheels during frequency measurements.
I think the last part is critical for each manufacturer.
D
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