To clarify, if VFR in Class C you still have to look out. I'm not instrument 
rated and have no intention of becoming so.

Mike

> On 3 Jan 2016, at 11:00 AM, Mike Borgelt <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> The Hawk wingman did a good job. Unalerted  see and avoid can work.
> A bunt is a forward push on the stick, not necessarily an outside loop. 
> Fighter pilots like to keep the target in sight, hence the push not a pull.
> Looking out the window is a requirement in VMC even if you are on an IFR plan.
> Certainly in G, E, D and C airspace and likely the rest. I'm unlikely to fly 
> in A or B and can't be bothered confirming that right now.
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
>> On 3 Jan 2016, at 6:54 AM, Jim Staniforth <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> Appears the incident was in Class G? Is looking out the window optional?
>> An outside loop at 1000'AGL sounds like dramatic licence.
>> As does turning a transponder off for a five hour flight.
>> 
>> The 2006 Hawker / ASG29 (TXP off) midair near Minden was in pretty similar 
>> Class E. Repercussions are still being felt.
>> 
>> Is there an excuse for turning a transponder off these days? The gliders 
>> involved in both cases have two or optionally three compartments for 12V 8AH 
>> SLA or 10AH LiFePO4 batteries.
>> Jim
>> 
>> Hawker versus ASG29, including Hawker photos:
>> http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog/archives/007288.html
>> 
>> 
>>> On 1/2/2016 12:50 PM, Christopher McDonnell wrote:
>>> http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/14178176.RAF_fighter_pilot_performed_acrobatic_manoeuvre_to_avoid_glider_disaster/
>>> 
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