Hi Mike Thanks for the link to the ETA crash - very interesting indeed.
I have seen an ETA fuselage in the mould and I can confirm that it is made by Binder. Some control linkages from the ASH 25 were used on the prototype of the ETA but if my information is correct this fuselage finished up in the bin as it proved to be a little soft. I understand the NimEta crash was due to a wing failure. Do you have a link to this report as well? Kind regards Bernard > On 8 Feb 2016, at 2:27 PM, Mike Borgelt <[email protected]> > wrote: > > All I got was the story in "The Namibian" > http://www.namibian.com.na/index.php?id=140771&page=archive-read > <http://www.namibian.com.na/index.php?id=140771&page=archive-read>I wouldn't > be surprised if the white folks in Namibia spoke German and/or Afrikaans. > > Also found this interesting German accident report on the crash of an Eta > while spin testing in 2003 > http://www.bfu-web.de/EN/Publications/Investigation%20Report/2003/Report_03_3X221-Eta-Bueching.pdf?__blob=publicationFile > > <http://www.bfu-web.de/EN/Publications/Investigation%20Report/2003/Report_03_3X221-Eta-Bueching.pdf?__blob=publicationFile> > > > Didn't they do this again with the NimEta about 3 years ago? > > Interesting the comments about the fuselage layup (do Binder do their own > layup or do they buy assemblies from Schleicher) and the overlooking of the > maximum loads on the fin with rudder deflected (now fixed). That's why the > fin fell off an American Airlines Airbus. > Which raises the question of a spin recovery with sideslip opposite to the > rudder applied to recover from the spin possibly causing very high loads on > the tailboom. > > Also interesting thread in rec.aviation.soaring > https://groups.google.com/forum/m/?hl=en#!topic/rec.aviation.soaring/zGTU9nKPsMU > > <https://groups.google.com/forum/m/?hl=en#!topic/rec.aviation.soaring/zGTU9nKPsMU> > > > There's been another two seat motorglider upset/breakup in January this year > in Namibia (Nimbus4DM). Both bailed out out OK. > Also a fatality in Ventus 2cxM around last Christmas. > > Some silly comments, some very sensible in that r.a.s thread. > Spinning these very high performance gliders should be treated with great > care. Best to recover from any incipient upset before it goes very far at > all. Both good advice any time. > Spinning is NOT a normal soaring manoeuvre. i.e. you don't need to do it to > fly cross country. I think these large two seat motorgliders should be > treated like airliners. Just fly normally in thermals and interthermal > cruise. Anything else may rapidly become an emergency. > > Mike > > > > > > At 12:29 PM 2/8/2016, you wrote: >> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; >> boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00F8_01D16274.C947F680" >> Content-Language: en-au >> >> To me the more important issue is being able to review the accident report >> and findings, without having to subscribe to a reporterâs precis. >> >> I have surfed around without luck. >> >> Anyone got a good link to the accident report, or a brief description of the >> key links in the accident chain? >> >> Alan Wilson >> Canberra. >> >> >> >> >> On 8 Feb 2016, at 7:17 AM, John Roake <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> On 8/02/16 9:33 AM, "ECKEY, BERNARD" <[email protected] >> <x-msg://10/[email protected]> > wrote: Our reply hereunder: >> >> >> The official accident report clearly designates the glider as an ASH25 EB28 >> as does the German registration of the sailplane. >> >> John >> >> >> >> >> On 7 Feb 2016, at 1:25 PM, Peter Brookman < [email protected] >> <x-msg://10/[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> I agree with Bob, that any accident related to gliding the reports are >> important that we are for one reminded of the consequences of things that >> may go wrong , although sad that it is about people, friends who >> unfortunately lost their lives. 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