CAO 95.4 , exemptions , (l)    subregulation 207 (2) as far as the carriage of 
a gyroscopic turn and slip indicator and an outside air temperature indicator 
as prescribed in Appendix I of Civil Aviation Order 20.18 is concerned;

> On 21 Apr 2016, at 8:55 PM, Noel Roediger <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Emilis - I agree totally with your thoughts and agree that it would be
> prudent  for GFA to utilise the  knowledge of senior members.
> 
> Justin:  I have no idea of your capabilities re GFA operational and
> regulatory issues - nor do I have knowledge of your GFA authorities and
> qualifications or personal aviation  qualificationsl.  Please advise.
> 
> Your Utopian past really did exist and we had sufficient capability with the
> statesmanship of GFA and DCA officers to develop a very sound and
> universally admired operation which was adopted by many other international
> authorities.
> 
> You may question my authority to make such a statement so see following.
> 
> I was besotted by aviation at a very young age and was adopted by members of
> the Adelaide Soaring club at the time GFA was formed.
> 
> I am probably the only member living that experienced its formation and
> proceeded through its entire existence to this day.
> 
> I' ve  lived, achieved and performed their dreams and my wife and I have
> mentored  numerous youth into an aviation career.
> 
> I'm appalled that current GFA officers have caved in to junior and
> unqualified CASA emplyees.
> 
> FYI I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire unless you can provide info.
> otherwise.
> 
> Noel.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Aus-soaring [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
> Of Justin Couch
> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2016 9:26 AM
> To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] T&S as a mandated instrument
> 
>> On 21/04/2016 8:40 AM, emillis prelgauskas wrote:
>> There was a very good reason that gliding had 'exemptions' globally in the
> Regulations. To avoid this mismatch between commercial aviation and our
> sport specific needs.
> 
> It's probably worth some time to chat with you privately to get some details
> on where these can be found. Unfortunately I am now far more intimate with
> both Oz and international airworthiness regulations than I really would like
> to be. If these exemptions do exist written down that you are claiming, I
> cannot find them, nor can anyone else at the GFA - perhaps they went up in
> smoke with the rest of our paperwork a few years ago?
> 
> The regulatory framework that existed in the utopian past has changed,
> rather dramatically on us, so things that may have been in place before just
> don't work any more - if we can find the documentation of them at all. I see
> a lot of what is happening now as no different to then - someone finds yet
> another stupid rule, everyone mulls it over for a time, an exemption gets
> made according to the paperwork framework of the day, everyone shakes hands
> and moves on.
> 
> I'd like to understand how you find this particular issue (T&B on MEL) any
> different to the fire-extinguisher example you cite. Both seem to involve a
> silly rule that doesn't apply to us, someone working out a way to get an
> exemption within the rules of the day, and everyone just moves on (and then
> 30 years down the track someone recounts it as a funny story of "Kids these
> days! Back in my day....").
> 
>> Including that the best results are achieved when GFA told CASA to stick
> it - that we are the experts in our sport, which needs to operate in
> specific ways in order to be safe.
>> Remember the primacy - SAFETY.
> 
> And, they in turn can tell us the same and stop gliding in it's tracks
> completely, or make it so financially uncomfortable for us to have the same
> effect. Neither is a good outcome for us. So, work out when to bend with the
> wind, and when to stand firm against it. Everyone has a different
> interpretation of that point.
> 
> We, luckily, have some very good people on the GFA side that know the system
> inside and out as they deal with it professionally every day. So, when weird
> stuff like this happens, they already know what to do and slip in that extra
> one sentence into our paperwork so that the guys on the ground like you and
> I can continue to operate mostly unaffected.
> 
>> How does making the paper mound higher and in multiple mounds (the
> compliant, the interpreted work around, the reality) contribute positively
> to this?
>> The argument that 'society demands this' is so hollow - as if the public
> bystander leaning on the aerodrome fence is able to tell the operator how to
> do things because of the unformed opinions - regulation by social media.
> 
> The utopia of the good old days no longer exists and we do have to put up
> with this stuff whether we like it or not. I bet 40 years ago the elders of
> the time were decrying "adding more mounds of paperwork" too, comparing it
> to pre-WWII gliding. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
> 
> Yes the world is getting more litigious (specially insurance companies!). On
> top of that, we now have a bunch of know-it-alls on social media condemning
> everything that can gut something almost instantaneously regardless of good
> intentions or not of the target. We can't live in a vacuum and pretend the
> world doesn't exist around us. If genetics have much to say, I have at least
> another 40 years of enjoying this sport - I'd like to still be able to have
> that option should I, and all the younger guys I'm trying to mentor,  be
> interested.
> 
> Anyway, I'll shoot you (emillis) a private email to see what we can dig up
> from historical paperwork and get into electronic form and weave into the
> current reality.
> 
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