You win Colin
:-)

Yours
Peter Champness

On Apr 25, 2016, at 9:56 PM, Colin Collum <[email protected]> wrote:

> Let's see:
> 
> Seat belts
> 
> Traffic rules--drive on the left, .05 etc, 
> 
> Roads
> 
> Footpaths
> 
> No shooting firearms in built-up areas
> 
> Laws in general
> 
> Need I go on? 
> 
> We are a society [unless  you are in Margaret Thatcher's camp] and in society 
> we consider individualS as well as the individual.
> 
> When does the interest of the individual overide the interest of the "others"?
> 
> "Intervention by Government or DO GOODER PEOPLE is always bad" may be in 
> itself a bad philosophy.
> Almost all professions are more constrained than they have been in the 
> past--possibly excepting those areas where supervision/enforcement has been 
> privatised, yet less people die in car accidents [in part thanks to that 
> terrible Do Gooder, Ralph Nader], operations are safer and dare I say it, 
> flying is safer, and almost all due to the intervention by Do Gooders and 
> Government.
> 
> 
> 
> Colin
> 
> From: Aus-soaring <[email protected]> on behalf of 
> Peter Champness <[email protected]>
> Sent: 25 April 2016 21:16:40
> To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] The Golden Age
>  
> James,
> 
> No I did not understand what Emilis wrote.  But I am interested!
> 
> Intervention by Government or DO GOODER PEOPLE is always bad in my 
> philosophy.  It goes against the interests of the INDIVUAL which should be 
> the highest principle.  That takes us into  high level philosophy.
> 
> I hope that this will find some resonance with gliding people, who are very 
> likely independent thinkers.
> 
> On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 8:57 PM, James McDowall <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
> Emilis,
> I understood what you wrote but did anyone else? After years of working in 
> the building industry and experiencing first hand post bushfire bureaucracy I 
> have come to the conclusion that "affordable housing" is a confusion in 
> terms. The stringencies of the ABCB, however well intentioned are driving up 
> building costs. There is a lesson here for all forms of recreational aviation.
> Jim 
> 
> On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 9:50 AM, emillis prelgauskas 
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> Thank you Gary,
> I fully concur that memory adds rose to the glasses.
> 
> I am drilling a bit deeper, based on my fire ground and court work.
> In all fields of activity, there are prescriptive rules  and these are 
> vehemently applied
> and defended by some.
> In many fields of activity it has since been demonstrated that ‘one size fits 
> all’
> creates more problems than it solves.
> That doesn’t stop the ‘fixed rules’ crowd from trying to forget about 
> alternate solutions.
> 
> fire ground example: “No, you can’t build a new replacement home where your 
> existing home was burnt
> down by the bushfire; because the rules have changed and we don’t permit that 
> sort of thing now”.
> 
> In these fields the primacy of good human outcomes results in ‘alternate 
> solutions’ which can then be applied:
> “The new build will have a shelter to ABCB guidelines, fire resistant 
> construction to AS3959 and siting
> maintenance/fire fighting capability to Minister’s Spec SA78 - i.e. this is 
> permitted.”
> 
> Gliding is still travelling down that path of recognising that better 
> outcomes come from a baseline of
> prescriptive ‘deemed-to-satisfy’ provisions with higher order alternate  
> solutions above this.
> (The Building Code of Australia categorises 3 such layers in its industry, 
> with ‘expert judgement’
> at the top of the pyramid.)
> 
> Emilis
> 
> 
> On 24 Apr 2016, at 9:11 pm, Gary Stevenson <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Emilis, on consideration, I do not entirely agree with your recent comments.
> > Golden ages live in our memories, but (fortunately/unfortunately), memories
> > are fallable. In any case, all that you refer has passed ..for ever.
> >
> > As always, NOW is the time to seize the moment
> >
> > Let me suggest to you and to everyone else who is a member of this forum,
> > that the reality of gliding in Australia today .... right now ...... is that
> > we are living in an era WHERE THIS IT IS AS GOOD AS IT IS EVER GOING TO GET.
> >
> > THIS is the golden age.
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