05:47 PM 12/2/2017, you wrote:
Iâm totally ignorant of Thorâs proposal. Please Post.
Noel.
It was elapsed time scoring, Noel.
You got a penalty of how many minutes you were
behind the winner up to a maximum of one quarter
the winner's time with a maximum possible penalty time of 45 minutes.
Dead simple to score and once the 45 minutes was
reached the scorers could go home. Also meant if
you got really bogged down you could land at a
convenient airstrip for a retrieve without
risking a late day outlanding into a paddock and
the verifiers didn't even have to look at
anyone's photos who was over the max penalty for the day.
The disadvantage seen by some was that losers who
already got the maximum penalty on a given day
did not get ranked even if they got home or others outlanded.
Depends whether you think contests are to
determine ranking of losers or find winners.
Landing out early on one day was not necessarily
fatal to your chances of winning the contest.
I re-scored the Waikerie 15m Nationals I won
and IIRC 5th and 6th places swapped with no other changes in top 10.
You also knew what you had to do the next day to
move up and the turkeys at the bottom did not
change the relative ranking of the front runners
which can happen under the current scheme.
Too easy but the bleating from the losers was long and loud.
Mike
From: Ron Sanders [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 4:29 PM
To: Justin Couch; Gliding Australia Forum;
Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [gfaforum] 1000 K triangles
Ingo competed in thirteen. As you say won four,
and lost into second place at Wiener Neustadt by
some stupidly small number of points. If one did
a rigorous "uncertainty" or "error analysis" on
the procedures in place at that time there is no
way you can under any rigorous mathematical
process ensure that with even 75% probability
that Ingo was actually beaten. As far as i am
concerned he won four and was a draw for first
place at Wiener Neustadt. The scoring system
then and now is a load of shit. The simplest
thing is that is to understand that we add up
the points to score the winner and yet a point
scored on Wednesday is not the same value as a
point score on Thursday you all aware of that??? Ergo it is all shit.
Bill Anderson of the GCV had a really good
system many many years ago, did not catch on, due to general ignorance.
Does any of our up and coming newbys, even the
top ones know, anything about Thor Johansen's
proposal from thirty years
ago Regards scoring?? EH?? who is he???? At
least he is still alive I think
George won three, but the big difference is
----- in Open class, in a row and without
practise!!!!!!! unless flying a along the
border of east Germany in an F4 Phantom
constitutes practise for Paderborn. And what
about the day that he was the only finisher and
the majority of the pilots were pissed off at
the over set task and complained to the
organisers?? At the next briefing the (French? )
comp director said regards the complaints
that----- they were there to determine the WORLD
champion, the task was set and was possible as
proven!!!! go jump!!!!! By the way George has
said that it was the skinniest final glide he has ever done!!!!
yes time moves on, but do we learn
anything?? AAT tasks = what a load of
shit!!! I want maps, cameras and no gps!! Am i getting bites???
Ron
On 2 December 2017 at 16:33, Justin Couch
<<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:
On 2/12/2017 4:30 PM, Ron Sanders wrote:
Come on guys!!! a few words on the internet does not need this level of
aggro or holier than thou or what ever.
I am only asking these questions for fun.
I sometime wonder if the new youngsters are aware of the records and
achievements that older Australian glider pilots have made in the past.
Yup. Loss of corporate history is a real thing,
and these are good ways of help people
understand where we come from. GFA trivial night in the virtual world.
Next question----- How many world comps did Ingo win?? How many did he
attend??
He won 4. Don't know how many he's attended. It
would have to be in double figures (assuming
"attending" means competing in, rather than
showing up for a dinner and a chat as a guest).
How many did our other New Australian George Lee win, attend?
Pass!
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Justin
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