... and what if you loose it, or some pages get defaced? Every one of those pieces of paper becomes the equivalent of a $5 note. Simon At 9:24 PM +1000 8/7/01, John Giddy wrote: >As an extension of this discussion, I have heard that GFA is >now going to charge in advance for issuing books of forms >for the three-day Temporary Membership. >I.e. a club will have to shell out $500 to get a book of 100 >forms. >Two points emerge: >1. This will put a big strain on some club's finances. >2. What about the Student fee of $2.00 ?? Does the club >request a refund of $3 for each student Temporary member, or >has that category disappeared ? > >Can anyone comment on the above please ? > >John G. > >John Giddy >5/287 Barkers Rd >Kew, Vic. 3101 >Australia > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Jason Armistead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 2:24 PM >Subject: Re: [aus-soaring] Joyflights/AEF's > > >| Stuart >| >| This also raises the issue of Yellow Pages advertisements, >or even Club web >| sites ... >| >| Jason >| ----- Original Message ----- >| From: Stuart & Kerri Ferguson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >| To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >| Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 9:05 PM >| Subject: RE: [aus-soaring] Joyflights/AEF's >| >| >| > Looking for a legal opinion here. >| > >| > If the sign advertising the presence of the gliding >operation has "Joy >| > Flights" or something similar, then I believe this is >advertising >| flights - >| > therefore AOC required >| > >| > What if the sign on the road reads "XYZ Gliding Club - >Visitors Welcome" >| > Is that considered soliciting business, or simply >inviting members of the >| > public to enter and have a look at the operation. >| > If a flight follows this contact, I would like to think >the visitor is >| > taking the flight in response to their interest to visit >the club, not a >| > Joy Flight Ad. Therefore it is an AEF >| > >| > Serious answers only thanks. >| > >| > Stuart Ferguson >| > >| > >| > >| > -----Original Message----- >| > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >| > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On >Behalf Of Derek >| Ruddock >| > Sent: Friday, 6 July 2001 16:55 >| > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >| > Subject: Re: [aus-soaring] Joyflights/AEF's >| > >| > Nope. Read my question again. The requirements are quite >clear once the >| type >| > of flight is established. >| > An AEF can have a flight with no intention of touching >the controls. >| > A joyflight can have a flight with no intention of >touching the controls. >| > This is the reason I asked for clarification: how is one >to determine >| which >| > of the above scenarios identifies that a flight is a >charter rather that >| an >| > AEF?. >| > Take the following scenarios: >| > 1) a person walking down the street sees gliders >overhead and decides that >| > they would like to try it. they find their way to the >field, make >| enquiries >| > and decide to take a flight,but do not want to touch the >controls at all, >| > but just wish to enjoy the scenery and take a few >photos, thank you very >| > much. >| > 2) a person walking down the street sees a small >billboard about gliding >| and >| > decides that they would like to try it. They find their >way to the field, >| > make enquiries and decide to take a flight,but do not >want to touch the >| > controls at all, but just wish to enjoy the scenery and >take a few photos, >| > thank you very much. >| > My understanding is that, although both people wish to >fly, and neither >| > wants to touch the controls, the only distinguishing >feature is that the >| > person in 2) responded to an advert, and therefore this >becomes a charter >| > fiight. >| > >| > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6/07/01 15:43:01 >>> >| > >On reading Daryl Connell's article in this months comic >re passengers in >| > gliders, there seems to be little distinction between >joyflights requiring >| > a charter rating & AOC, and an AEF requiring a AEI or >higher, and no AOC. >| > >The only difference I could ascertain was that >joyflights had responded >| to >| > an advert in the press or by the side of the road. >| > >Is this the only distinction between the two, ie the >advert? >| > >| > >| > There is more to it than that or we wouldn't be going to >all the pain to >| > make it clear to all our members. >| > >| > Charter - joyflight, going for a ride to see the views >and experience the >| > ride. >| > Must be flown by a "Charter" rated pilot.(Not an >Instructor or a Passenger >| > Pilot)This pilot must have a current medical. >| > The passenger must not touch the controls at any time. >| > the passenger needs fill out no documentation before the >flight as they >| are >| > covered under the "Carrier's Liability" insurance each >club must have as >| > part of attaining an AOC. >| > >| > AEF Air Experience Flight >| > Some one who is having a flight and be able to have a >go, t5hey don't have >| > to but the option is there. >| > Must be flown by a minimum level of AEI rated pilot.(not >a Passenger rated >| > or Charter rated pilot) >| > Pilot in command must have control of the aircraft below >800ft AGL >| > The passenger or more correctly the student must sign >off on at least >| > "Short term" GFA membership this places them under the >GFA umbrella. >| > >| > See your club's copy of the MOSP Ops section 6.3 of the >blue pages for the >| > AOC requirements >| > Also section 5.2.3 relating to pilots and charter, and >instructor >| > privilages further on. >| > >| > Its basically defining the difference between a charter >flight primarily >| to >| > transport a body and an AEF is a training flight as >such. >| > >| > Regards >| > Mark Morgan >| > Waikerie Glider Maintenance >| > Po Box 320 Waikerie >| > SA 5330 >| > ph. 08 8541 2644 >| > fax 08 8541 2761 >| > >| > -- >| > * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. >| > * To Unsubscribe: send email to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >| > * with "unsubscribe aus-soaring" in the body of the >message >| > * or with "help" in the body of the message for more >information. >| > >| > >| > >| > -- >| > * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. >| > * To Unsubscribe: send email to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >| > * with "unsubscribe aus-soaring" in the body of the >message >| > * or with "help" in the body of the message for more >information. >| > >| > >| > -- >| > * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. >| > * To Unsubscribe: send email to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >| > * with "unsubscribe aus-soaring" in the body of the >message >| > * or with "help" in the body of the message for more >information. >| > >| >| >| -- >| * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. >| * To Unsubscribe: send email to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >| * with "unsubscribe aus-soaring" in the body of the >message >| * or with "help" in the body of the message for more >information. >| >| > > >-- > * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. > * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > * with "unsubscribe aus-soaring" in the body of the message > * or with "help" in the body of the message for more information. --- Simon Hackett, Technical Director, Internode Systems Pty Ltd 31 York St [PO Box 284, Rundle Mall], Adelaide, SA 5000 Australia Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.on.net Phone: +61-8-8223-2999 Fax: +61-8-8223-1777 -- * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * with "unsubscribe aus-soaring" in the body of the message * or with "help" in the body of the message for more information.
