As an extension of this discussion, I have heard that GFA is now going to charge in advance for issuing books of forms for the three-day Temporary Membership. I.e. a club will have to shell out $500 to get a book of 100 forms. Two points emerge: 1. This will put a big strain on some club's finances. 2. What about the Student fee of $2.00 ?? Does the club request a refund of $3 for each student Temporary member, or has that category disappeared ? Can anyone comment on the above please ? John G. John Giddy 5/287 Barkers Rd Kew, Vic. 3101 Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: Jason Armistead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [aus-soaring] Joyflights/AEF's | Stuart | | This also raises the issue of Yellow Pages advertisements, or even Club web | sites ... | | Jason | ----- Original Message ----- | From: Stuart & Kerri Ferguson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 9:05 PM | Subject: RE: [aus-soaring] Joyflights/AEF's | | | > Looking for a legal opinion here. | > | > If the sign advertising the presence of the gliding operation has "Joy | > Flights" or something similar, then I believe this is advertising | flights - | > therefore AOC required | > | > What if the sign on the road reads "XYZ Gliding Club - Visitors Welcome" | > Is that considered soliciting business, or simply inviting members of the | > public to enter and have a look at the operation. | > If a flight follows this contact, I would like to think the visitor is | > taking the flight in response to their interest to visit the club, not a | > Joy Flight Ad. Therefore it is an AEF | > | > Serious answers only thanks. | > | > Stuart Ferguson | > | > | > | > -----Original Message----- | > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Derek | Ruddock | > Sent: Friday, 6 July 2001 16:55 | > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | > Subject: Re: [aus-soaring] Joyflights/AEF's | > | > Nope. Read my question again. The requirements are quite clear once the | type | > of flight is established. | > An AEF can have a flight with no intention of touching the controls. | > A joyflight can have a flight with no intention of touching the controls. | > This is the reason I asked for clarification: how is one to determine | which | > of the above scenarios identifies that a flight is a charter rather that | an | > AEF?. | > Take the following scenarios: | > 1) a person walking down the street sees gliders overhead and decides that | > they would like to try it. they find their way to the field, make | enquiries | > and decide to take a flight,but do not want to touch the controls at all, | > but just wish to enjoy the scenery and take a few photos, thank you very | > much. | > 2) a person walking down the street sees a small billboard about gliding | and | > decides that they would like to try it. They find their way to the field, | > make enquiries and decide to take a flight,but do not want to touch the | > controls at all, but just wish to enjoy the scenery and take a few photos, | > thank you very much. | > My understanding is that, although both people wish to fly, and neither | > wants to touch the controls, the only distinguishing feature is that the | > person in 2) responded to an advert, and therefore this becomes a charter | > fiight. | > | > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6/07/01 15:43:01 >>> | > >On reading Daryl Connell's article in this months comic re passengers in | > gliders, there seems to be little distinction between joyflights requiring | > a charter rating & AOC, and an AEF requiring a AEI or higher, and no AOC. | > >The only difference I could ascertain was that joyflights had responded | to | > an advert in the press or by the side of the road. | > >Is this the only distinction between the two, ie the advert? | > | > | > There is more to it than that or we wouldn't be going to all the pain to | > make it clear to all our members. | > | > Charter - joyflight, going for a ride to see the views and experience the | > ride. | > Must be flown by a "Charter" rated pilot.(Not an Instructor or a Passenger | > Pilot)This pilot must have a current medical. | > The passenger must not touch the controls at any time. | > the passenger needs fill out no documentation before the flight as they | are | > covered under the "Carrier's Liability" insurance each club must have as | > part of attaining an AOC. | > | > AEF Air Experience Flight | > Some one who is having a flight and be able to have a go, t5hey don't have | > to but the option is there. | > Must be flown by a minimum level of AEI rated pilot.(not a Passenger rated | > or Charter rated pilot) | > Pilot in command must have control of the aircraft below 800ft AGL | > The passenger or more correctly the student must sign off on at least | > "Short term" GFA membership this places them under the GFA umbrella. | > | > See your club's copy of the MOSP Ops section 6.3 of the blue pages for the | > AOC requirements | > Also section 5.2.3 relating to pilots and charter, and instructor | > privilages further on. | > | > Its basically defining the difference between a charter flight primarily | to | > transport a body and an AEF is a training flight as such. | > | > Regards | > Mark Morgan | > Waikerie Glider Maintenance | > Po Box 320 Waikerie | > SA 5330 | > ph. 08 8541 2644 | > fax 08 8541 2761 | > | > -- | > * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. | > * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | > * with "unsubscribe aus-soaring" in the body of the message | > * or with "help" in the body of the message for more information. | > | > | > | > -- | > * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. | > * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | > * with "unsubscribe aus-soaring" in the body of the message | > * or with "help" in the body of the message for more information. | > | > | > -- | > * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. | > * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | > * with "unsubscribe aus-soaring" in the body of the message | > * or with "help" in the body of the message for more information. | > | | | -- | * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. | * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | * with "unsubscribe aus-soaring" in the body of the message | * or with "help" in the body of the message for more information. | | -- * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * with "unsubscribe aus-soaring" in the body of the message * or with "help" in the body of the message for more information.
