So are you suggesting that teaching spin training by only going to the incipient stage and never actually spinning in a real spin capable aircraft (one that REQUIRES a correct recovery is a good move)?
I agree that recognising an incipient and recovering from there is better than letting a spin develop, however I have a friend in the UK who is still a friend BECAUSE he learnt to recover correctly - low hours, and with a high workload he mis-used the controls turning base, he had done 1/2 turn before realising what he was doing - recovery was very low !! His view afterwards was that he reacted on instinct based on thorough spin training - he was not conscious of actually recovering. Gliders like the Puchaz actually let the instructor know that you really know how to recover. By the time I even centralise the rudder in a K13 (no force needed), it has recovered. The first time I span a Puchaz, all I did was centralise the rudder (force needed) and push the stick forwards - result, more nose down, but still spinning. If we are having accidents during training, then surely we need to deal with the cause of them rather than say spinning is too dangerous to teach and hope for the best. In other words look at how instructors are trained to teach spinning - can this be improved? -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RF Developments Pty Ltd Sent: Tuesday, 21 September 2004 06:43 To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] RE: Spinning, outlandings,- a rounded pilot!-my two bobs worth My two bobs worth, There have been plenty of GA/Ultralight accidents where pilots have spun in, or stalled in , mainly the old engine failure and return to airfield, some of these under instruction! High nose attitude on climb out and trying to turn without sufficient indicated airspeed, I have seen two at my airfield, the last resulted in two crispy pilots, by the time I had got to them one was still burning in the cockpit, my mate had managed to drag the other free, this was a result of a stall when trying to clear power lines! Initial spin training in gliding has a role, as an instructor for 15 years to demonstrate a fully devolved spin seemed to me to be a waste of time, an insipient was plenty to get the message through. Also, most of the time it was hard to get the glider to spin, and the recovery required very little forward stick to recover ( K-13 ), I think some recovered from fright - just letting go!. I have seen and heard of over enthusiastic forward bunting leading to inverted flight ( -G ) - not good! There are allot of aircraft that I would not like to spin in anyway and mike has pointed out two, and some approaching 30+ years, so if I refuse to get a check in the only one spin able aircraft they have does that mean I cannot renew my annual requirement? Another thing, when are we going to come into line with the GA pilot requirements, Bi annual - not annual, subject to recency like all aero clubs around Australia have. Some of their club rules include things like if you have not flown a particular type of aircraft in the past 3 months, then a check is required, irrespective of your currency in other types. This is not as silly as it sounds, I have seen a pilot who was an instructor just hop in to a Nimbus 2 because she was current ( not on type ) and subsequently crash on takeoff, putting the pilot in hospital and destroying the glider! Cheers all Saturday here on the downs I nearly cracked 400km's at 110 KPH - blue day west of the divide, on the divide convergence Cu, worked to 9,000. First thermal 20km north of warwick was 10 knotts to 7,000- 11.45am in the morning! Dalby here we come! Nigel Andrews RF Developments Pty Ltd "A Queensland Company devoted to Research and Development in aviation electronics" Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web www.rf-developments.com Ph: (61) 7 54635670 Fax: (61) 7 54635695 **************DISCLAIMER************ The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network. _______________________________________________ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
