Quite true - I suspected I might get this response :-) I used to have to engage the 4WD to get up the hill on the gravel going in to the airfield - otherwise it would just sit there and spin its front wheels.
Redmond ******************************************************* ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, 18 June 2005 6:35 Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Looooong trailer registration > An old L series though Redmond! > > The Outback drags the Bergy around just fine. (It is right on the limits > though). > > Anthony > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Quinn > Sent: Saturday, 18 June 2005 2:14 PM > To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Looooong trailer registration > > Absolutely right - I tow glider trailers around with a Landcruiser! > > On the other hand there are plenty of glider pilots out there who don't have > a wide choice of vehicles to use. In the past I've been known to tow a 2 > seater trailer with a Subaru - I wouldn't recommend it :-( > > Redmond Quinn > > *********************************************** > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stuart & Kerri FERGUSON" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'" > <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, 17 June 2005 9:28 > Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Looooong trailer registration > > > > Acknowledging all the comments are valid, surly choosing a suitable tow > > vehicle must also be important? > > > > SDF > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Quinn > > Sent: Friday, 17 June 2005 9:48 PM > > To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. > > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Looooong trailer registration > > > > Long glider trailers generally require significant draw bar load to make > > them stable. Rule of thumb says 10% of trailer weight, but I know you can > > generally get away with less. On a big trailer I have found that 60kg is > > usually enough. On a small to medium car this will require load transfer > > bars to keep appropriate weight on the front wheels. > > > > Unfortunately when we do a retrieve we travel one way unladen. > Consequently > > sufficient load is required on the draw bar to make the unladen trailer > > stable. Consequently if we want the trailer stable in both conditions the > > total centre of gravity of the trailer parts needs to end up over the axle > > or slightly forward of it. > > > > Generally if the trailer is set up for stable operation unladen it is > > easiest to achieve the laden condition by placing the fuse in nose first > and > > the wings in tip first. In many cases the wings determine the length of > the > > trailer box and there is some room to move the fuse fore and aft. This > and > > the tailplane position provide some opportunity to fine tune the laden > > balance of the trailer. > > > > Redmond Quinn > > > > ************************************************************ > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Roger Druce" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'" > > <[email protected]> > > Sent: Friday, 17 June 2005 12:10 > > Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Looooong trailer registration > > > > > > > Rear overhang is fundamentally bad news and the weight distribution with > > the > > > German two seater glider trailers having the wing roots to the front and > > the > > > fuselage nose to the front is bad news. Sure you get the best > riggability > > > that way and having regard to the trailer clamshell layout. > > > > > > I have just spent hours on multiple spreadsheets working out the CofGs > of > > > the different two seater trailer layout configurations, both bare > glider, > > > glider plus carrying fittings and then all that plus trailer structure > and > > > cladding. > > > > > > My money is on less riggability convenience but better trailer stability > > > characteristics from a layout that gets the axles a long way back, ie > wing > > > roots to rear, fuselage nose to front and with auxiliary bits and pieces > > > stowed within sideways opening rear door. Less tail to wag the dog. > See > > > the article by Nelson Funston in "Technical Soaring" July 1989. That's > > what > > > I am doing with my trailer design. > > > > > > If you can move the axles back to reduce the rear overhang without > > > increasing the towbar load to an unacceptable extent then do it. You > > might > > > fit a carry box behind the axle and below the floor with a pull out tray > > to > > > relocate a significant proportion of the odds and ends stowed at the > front > > > of the trailer. You might think they don't weigh much but they do. It > > does > > > help get the CofG back. Or move the spare wheel (15 to 18 kg ie > > > non-trivial) to the rear of the trailer perhaps on one side of the fin > in > > a > > > removeable but strong tiedownable frame or box, or on the rear door > > exterior > > > somehow. > > > > > > With respect Graham don't persist with trying to justify 5.23 m > overhang. > > > Get on with reducing the overhang by doing things which enable you to > > shift > > > the axles aftwards. Yes it takes effort and/or money. However it is > > really > > > good value for trailer safety for the long term. > > > > > > Cheers > > > Roger Druce > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason > and > > > Jemima Armistead > > > Sent: Friday, 17 June 2005 12:03 AM > > > To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. > > > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Looooong trailer registration > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > At Southern Cross GC (Camden, NSW), our DG-1000 trailer (a twin axle > > Anschau > > > Komet) had too much overhang, and we had to move the axle position > > slightly > > > to comply with the 5m ruling. The RTA inspector (Jim Stanley > > > IIRC) would not budge beyond that. > > > > > > Thankfully we had a good mechanic who was a friend of the club and did > the > > > work for us at a very reasonable price. > > > > > > And the trailer actually seemed to be better balanced after the axle was > > > moved ! > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > Jason Armistead > > > > > > At 11:56 PM 16/06/2005, you wrote: > > > >As John Giddy reminded me a few weeks ago, I live in the Sate with no > > > >published ADR exemptions for glider trailers - NSW. I now know that > > > >policy is to allow exemptions against the overhang limit under the ADRs > > > >(3.7m) up to 5m, very similar to Victoria and SA rules. > > > > > > > >A trailer we're considering buying for a two-seater has an overhang of > > > >5.23m. I'd be interested to hear from anybody who has (relatively) > > > >recently successfully registered a trailer with overhang greater than > > > >5m. Is it possible? Under what conditions? 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