Try Normalair-Garratt Aust. P/L , 45 King St, Airport West. 9267-9300. Last price I heard was around $50 about a year ago.
Geoff V
At 12:21 PM 24/12/2005 +1100, you wrote:
All of this is great we now know every thing about oxygen but where can we get our mountain high bottles filled ,in Melbourne?
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Most of the subscribers to this thread have got the facts at least partly right. The moisture specification, i.e. maximum level permitted under the quality criteria published by BOC and Air Liquide is as follows: Welding oxygen 100 ppm, medical oxygen 67 ppm, aviators dry breathing oxygen 10 ppm. All these marketed "grades" of oxygen come from the same production process and are thus identical in composition and in the cylinders as delivered all have a moisture content less than 10 ppm. That means, irrespective of the labelling on the cylinder, all meet the ADBO spec of 10 ppm moisture.
However, if you decant oxygen from a supply cylinder, irrespective of it's label, to your glider oxygen cylinder it is certainly possible to introduce extraneous moisture during that process: e.g. minor amounts contained in un-purged air in the transfilling apparatus (absolutely insignificant in the general scheme of things); liquid water sitting in the fittings on the supply cylinder - a potential major problem (I've seen this actually happen when a fresh G-size cylinder with no plastic seal cap was brought in from outside storage and the transfiller was screwed in without the fitting being inspected or cleaned); condensation in the transfilling apparatus, another potential major problem. Clearly all of these problems can be avoided by having sound inspection and purging procedures and housekeeping practices.
I have been using commercial (welding) oxygen in my own glider for several years in both Mountain High EDS and Avox A8A constant flow regulator systems with absolutely no adverse impacts. Why on earth would you expect any adverse impacts anyway? The delivered oxygen "grades" are identical, irrespective of labelling, and if your transfilling procedures are up to scratch then the oxygen in your glider cylinder will meet your physiological requirements when needed.
Just one word of caution though - how confident are you that the gas supplied in the cylinder labelled oxygen (whether from a gas supplier's cylinder or from your glider cylinder re-filled by a supplier) is actually oxygen? What if it actually contains nitrogen, argon, or any of the other compressed gases supplied by BOC et al? How would you know? Believe me, shit happens, nothing is fool-proof. This aspect is my greatest concern.
By profession I happen to be an industrial chemist/chemical engineer/process engineer with over 45 years experience and understand the properties of oxygen reasonably well. As a life-saving precaution I do a simple series of checks whenever I am using a fresh oxygen supply cylinder for the first time. Firstly, check and double-check the cylinder colour coding (black for industrial oxygen), label (oxygen, O2) and UN number (1072). Secondly, crack the valve very slightly and sniff the contents. Despite oxygen being described in the literature as an odourless and tasteless gas it has a distinctive slight odour. Thirdly, and most importantly, I make use of oxygen's unique ability to support combustion. Crack the valve very slightly and offer up a smouldering 5mm diameter cotton wick. The wick will burst into flame if the gas is oxygen, but will not flame if the gas is anything else. To the uninformed this latter check may sound hazardous but in reality it is quite safe. Only if all these checks are positive do I proceed with transfilling.
Geoff Vincent
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