Wayne Carter wrote:
You may be pointing the way, Ben! Perhaps what is needed is just a centrally located DATABASE (GFA?, maybe WIKI?) of known hazards. The database could be updated by any pilot and not always with warnings, maybe a "great feild south of the farmhouse, nice cold beer inside" or similar. This database will grow over the years and represent a great part of the country we may outland in! As a side, this thought came to me with the recent release of the ATSB information of a crashed chopper, killing all aboard. They had hit a wire, game over instantly. We are now flying around with these wonderful gadgets capable of vast amounts of detail, why not include more information about the ground?
Yes, I know its not a substitute for good lookout.
I have many reservations about the construction and maintenance of a database that covers hazards, let alone out landing sites.

For the hazards, my concerns centre around to accuracy, completeness and maintainability of the database. To be usable, the database requires a very high integrity and even then I am not going to bet my life on it. Adding the 'mapped' hazards (eg towers, HT power lines etc) to a database in FLARMs would be a big enough job in terms of database construction and maintenance. To try to add additional hazards such as unmapped power lines right on down to SWERs would, I suggest be far too huge a job and essential without benefit: I know that it cannot change the way I fly or instruct, for if the DB advised me there was a hazard in a particular paddock, that warning is not 100% accurate (as the DB cannot ever be 100%). There might be no hazard or the hazard might be in the next door paddock. So I cannot change my out landing checks in terms of paddock selection nor my alertness for 'hidden' wires as I descend on finals. It is the same if I select a paddock clear of warnings - there still might be a hazard there.

Furthermore, the presence of a hazard in a paddock does not necessarily make that paddock a poor choice in which to land - it may in fact be the best paddock around, provided one lands away from the hazardous area.

This means that having the information places me in no better position that not having it. In fact having the information could well cause a pilot early in their out landing career to select an inappropriate paddock over a more appropriate paddock that is tagged as 'hazardous' in the DB.

Moving on to the discussion of adding out landing sites to a DB, it is worth considering the discussion that was held at the GQ pilots' meeting on this subject at the the Kingaroy State comps in 2004. Prior to that comp, an extensive effort had been made to identify all the various strips (ag, station etc) out on the Darling Downs and tag them with GPS coordinates. This list was used in the preceding Easter comp. The pilots' meeting determined that these be removed from the way point list for all future comps as there was absolutely no guarantee that the strips were usable. Only ERSA listed strips or active gliding sites (such as DDSC) were to be included in the comp turn point database as these were the only ones that could be guaranteed to offer a safe landing site.

It is certainly useful to know of usable strips around the place - I always check on this when visiting a site (for comps or otherwise). However, local knowledge is critical on this issue - a station strip that has been well maintained and used for years can deteriorate suddenly and invisible (eg a fence across it). This is even more true for random out landing paddocks. Whilst there's nothing to stop the creation of an out landing site database (you can find the GQ strips way points on the GQ comps page for example), it doesn't actually help you select an out landing place as any of these strips might be unlandable.

Again, the danger of an out landing database is that an early out landing pilot could be seduced away from using a nice safe paddock into using a 'tagged' out landing site that is a far worse choice than the paddock that would be picked by an uninfluenced out landing decision.

I realise that this all comes down to training, but time and again we see pilots making decisions that fly in the face of their training - and it causes accidents, injuries and even death (cf last year's accident at Darling Downs).

Should we be providing pilots with information that may well influence their decision in the wrong way without actually providing any real upside?

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Robert Hart                                     [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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