Werner was one of the first people I met on my first day of gliding at Bathurst so I associate him with the wonderful things gliding has brought me. As a 16 year old, I thought he was dashing, adventurous, was a link to World War 2 aviators, and perhaps empitomised what gliding had in store for me. Happy Soaring Werner. Jenny Thompson
----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 8:35 PM Subject: Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 45, Issue 12 > Send Aus-soaring mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Aus-soaring digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Werner Geisler (Mark Rowe) > 2. Re: Werner Geisler (Head, David) > 3. Re: Sporting Licences (Mike Borgelt) > 4. Stupid red card (Chris Kiehn) > 5. Re: Stupid red card (Mike Borgelt) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 00:51:15 +1000 > From: Mark Rowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Werner Geisler > To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > I pass on all my sympathy to Werners family, > I also whish to celebrate the time he spent with us in gliding, he will > always be in our history and regularly come up at tall stories at the bar. > > Hope he is soaring now. > Kindest regards > Mark Rowe and the whole Family> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 13:16:53 +0800> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Werner Geisler> > Very sad to hear that David > .. He was a great instructor when I was > learning to fly..> > Graham > Watts> > > > Head, David wrote:> > > It is with sadness that I have to > advise the soaring community that > > Werner Geisler died last night after > a long illness. Werner was a > > member of the Bathurst Soaring Club and > the Southern Cross Gliding Club.> >> > > >> > I would be grateful if you > could pass this information on to anyone > > who knew Werner and may not > be a subscriber to this list. Details of > > the funeral will be published > in the Sydney Morning Herald in the next > > few days.> >> > > >> > David > Head> >> > > >> >> > > **********************************************************************> > > This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain> > > privileged information or confi! > dential information or both. 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He was a great instructor when I was >> learning to fly.. >> >> Graham Watts >> >> >> >> Head, David wrote: >> >> > It is with sadness that I have to advise the soaring community that >> > Werner Geisler died last night after a long illness. Werner was a >> > member of the Bathurst Soaring Club and the Southern Cross Gliding > Club. >> > >> > >> > >> > I would be grateful if you could pass this information on to anyone >> > who knew Werner and may not be a subscriber to this list. Details of > >> > the funeral will be published in the Sydney Morning Herald in the > next >> > few days. >> > >> > >> > >> > David Head >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ********************************************************************** >> > This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain >> > privileged information or confidential information or both. 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Check > it out! <http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx%20> > > > ********************************************************************** > This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain > privileged information or confidential information or both. If you > are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. > ********************************************************************** > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/private/aus-soaring/attachments/20070606/248dc64b/attachment.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 18:41:50 +1000 > From: Mike Borgelt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Sporting Licences > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > > Macca is obviously confused. The "stupid red card" was not a CASA > initiative. It came from the security folks. One day these same folks > will learn that any glider or ultralight pilot is just as capable of > flying a light aircraft as any PPL holder and then the same security > vetting will be applied to GFA and RAAus members wanting to learn ot > fly as is applied to prospective SPL holders. > > As for the ease of getting an Experimental certificate you can't > praise GFA for that. GFA had nothing to do with Australia getting the > Experimental categories. You can thank the SAAA and Boyd Munro for > slightly earlier removing a legislative impediment that would have > prevented Experimental at all. > > In fact the GFA proposed banning gliders with Experimental > certificates from contests when they first came in nearly 10 years ago. > > GFA has had first of type etc since about 1982. Getting a Permit to > fly from GFA was like getting blood out of a stone at times for some > of the major repairs/mods I knew about. Typically the method was wait > weeks or months, go fly the glider anyway and then when GFA had heard > it flew OK they would send the permit. > > This thread started with my post about the SSA removing the > requirement for FAI sporting licences for most circumstances within > their control, surely a welcome reduction in stupid bureaucratic > requirements and slightly cheaper for their members. We've had one > CASA employee somehow confuse this with pilot licences issued by the > state and another GFA apparatchik claim that the "rubber stamp" was > OK because it was cheap. The sound you hear is the founders of the > GFA rotating in thier graves. > > We still haven't seen a defence of the GFA position of "our way or no > way" when it comes to the *option* of a state issued licence to fly > gliders. Just so someone doesn't get to think that by "state" I mean > Queensland , NSW etc, "state" in this context means "Commonwealth of > Australia". > > > Mike > Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments > phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 > fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 > cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 > Int'l + 61 429 355784 > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > website: www.borgeltinstruments.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 17:22:30 +0800 > From: Chris Kiehn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [Aus-soaring] Stupid red card > To: "'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia . '" > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/private/aus-soaring/attachments/20070606/3c1b65a5/attachment.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 20:35:37 +1000 > From: Mike Borgelt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Stupid red card > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Discussion of issues relating to > Soaring in Australia." <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > At 07:22 PM 6/06/2007, you wrote: >>On Wed Jun 6 16:41 , Mike Borgelt sent: >> >> >>Macca is obviously confused. The "stupid red card" was not a CASA >>initiative. It came from the security folks. One day these same folks >>will learn that any glider or ultralight pilot is just as capable of >>flying a light aircraft as any PPL holder and then the same security >>vetting will be applied to GFA and RAAus members wanting to learn ot >>fly as is applied to prospective SPL holders. >> >> >>Too late Mike. The requirement for the stupid red card is already an >>impost to RA-Aus, with thanks to those very departmental persons >>down at Dotars. Gliding folk might be a little luckier as not many >>'gliding' clubs are located on airports that have RPT ops, hence no >>requirement for said card. >> >>Coupled to this is the handover of the assessment and lodging >>criteria for this card to another completely unorganised government >>department in the attorney generals area, which have now delayed >>their scheduled July 1 launch date to September 3 as they are not >>ready. Prices for the stupid red card will go up as a result, >>although the claim of a 3 day turnaround for approvals should >>outweigh that (once it actually works). >> >>More fun times ahead. >>Chris >> > > Actually it was obvious from the first time the security passes were > mooted that any pilots who wanted to be able to use RPT security > controlled aerodromes would need the pass. Including RAaus and glider > (and motorglider)pilots. Check the list of places you cannot use if > you don't have one! There are lots of them. Anyone planning a > gliding safari will need to check. > > Getting a student licence nowadays takes several months I'm told as > you get background checked. Why this should apply to just GA pilots > and not glider and RAAus pilots is just an oversight as these people > are just as "dangerous" as prospective GA pilots. My local Federal > member's electorate secretary was quite surprised when I told her > that people didn't forget how to fly when they simply didn't renew > the medical and do a bi annual and these people sure weren't going to > front for a security check just because they may once have held a current > PPL. > > This nonsense is costing the country heaps. We've had a complete > squad of half a dozen heavily armed federal cops at Toowoomba airport > for a weekend day on a few occasions now. Complete with dog. I'm sure > it is the best possible use of Police resources. Bob Ward asked one > last time if their presence had anything to do with that bin Laden > bloke. Apparently so. > > Mike > > Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments > phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 > fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 > cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 > Int'l + 61 429 355784 > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > website: www.borgeltinstruments.com > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > End of Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 45, Issue 12 > ******************************************* > _______________________________________________ Aus-soaring mailing list [email protected] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
